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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 days ago

For context, in case any reader is not aware: Andrew Kelley, the author of this blog post, is also the creator and main developer of language Zig. And Bun was written in Zig.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 22 points 2 days ago

When Jarred announced the Rust rewrite, we were ecstatic. It seemed too good to be true. I have to admit, I didn't think the technology was there, to pull off this stunt. But he did it, and now I'm metaphorically sipping delicious tea from a mug that says "It Tastes Like It's Not My Problem Anymore".

The best victory comes from a fight you don't need to fight, as Sun Tzu said.

[–] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Moment I learned that it is for profit company behind bun, I got feeing that something stupid is coming

[–] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Btw folks, it is a good enough trigger to start thinking of supporting Lemmy.

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Zig compiler project is about 600,000 lines of code - roughly the same size as Bun before the rewrite, and I'm clocking 16s to build from scratch with a clean cache, followed by 90ms for each subsequent edit with incremental compilation enabled.

That's impressive compilation performance. And so most certainly when contrasting it to Rust.

Brb, I am rewriting everything in Zig.

[–] craftrabbit@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Oh, Rust and Zig. Two languages, continually compared and pit against each other, even though they are both such nice and innovative projects in their own right.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"Oven is going to be a grind, especially the first nine months or so. If work-life balance means a lot of time spent not working, it's probably not a good fit."

Oh man, someone here recently shared a blog post on startup culture in software companies, which likened software to an oven, where you'd add a specific button for a customer and that fucks up your whole architecture for years to come etc..

For just a moment, I thought this was a direct quote from that blog post.

[–] vanillama@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

That oven thing was a painful read, too real

[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

I too wondered whether the first blog post was tongue-in-cheek referencing the latest news with bun.

[–] ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev 13 points 2 days ago

I always support the underdog. Jarred sounds like an ass.

[–] aoidenpa@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I started learning zig after this post and learning about Mr.Kelley's views on AI.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is there another nodejs alternative that supports typescript in a similar way?

[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Does Deno fit your needs? It is also a drop-in replacement to a large degree, but is somewhat focused on improving the related tooling environment.

I'm not very involved in the (non-browser) JS ecosystem, but it's my tool of choice.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I second Deno. Did a few small projects with it and I have no complaints.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Deno is pretty interesting because it has built in sandboxing. By default, no code can even access the network. Everything must be explicitly allowed, including network access and environment variables: https://docs.deno.com/runtime/fundamentals/security/

Access can be scoped pretty granularly as well, only allowing access to specific websites or env variables.

I really like this model since it offers a strong protection against secrets stealers, which have hit NPM extremely frequently. No more of malicious NPM packages scraping the whole system to find secrets.

It does have a performance tradeoff compared to Bun. Bun is (was?) the fastest, Node was the slowest, Deno was in the middle.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This looks nice actually. I can't remember but I think there was some disadvantage compared to bun.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Performance, it's slightly slower compared to Bun, but it is faster than Node. But it has sandboxing, which is neat.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Not to the degree where bun support it. But NodeJS itself has now supported running typescript for a while