That raises the stakes significantly, fully support the decision. It will also make any migration to Lemmy more abrupt, hopefully the instances can handle it.
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I can see a lot of people moving to Lemmy, just because the other alternative that's popping off (Tildes) is a far more serious discussion-driven site.
Yeah from what I've seen, migrating to tildes is a bit like migrating to hackernews. In theory it's a Reddit clone, but the purpose of the site is so different from how Reddit has been used that it's not really a substitute.
Kbin is interesting too. I'm using it now. Nice UI and federates with Lemmy, of course
I definitely get the sense that spez is just going to nuke these mods until they get compliant ones in there. It's going to end up being a bloodbath, and I think it perfectly fits with his weird fantasy of being a post-collapse tyrant.
I honestly think more subs need to do an indefinite shut down.
If it's only for 48 hours Reddit can just wait it out, and if not a lot of subs join in on the indefinite shut down they can just replace the mods for new ones.
However, in my opinion, the buggest change will come June 30th when 3rd party apps shut down since that's when users will actualy stop using Reddit.
Let's hope it's enough users to make a change. I myself will be deleting everything and my account on June 30th. Let's hope something changes.
Good on the mod team of /r/videos! It must have been a difficult decision to walk away from a 26M+ sized community but I think it's definitely better to scuttle the ship and go down with it than capitulate at this point. This is a bold choice that's left Reddit between a rock and a hard place.
This is huge news! Hopefully other gigantic subreddits will follow suit.
Yup this is massive and it's not a niche subreddit. That means, most likely, more will follow. Sure, reddit will probably force it back online with new mods or whatever, but THIS is how you make a statement. Hat's off r/videos!
Holy shit, that's pretty big. I think r/Videos is in the top 5% by size, and I was sure some Reddit admins were moderating it as well
I'm sure they'll force it to reopen with a new, handpicked mod team that won't do nearly as good of a job.
Force their hand. Reddit needs to learn their actions have consequences. They need to experience firsthand how much higher their operating cost will be if they can no longer rely on free labor for their site to be engaging. They need to learn that their goal of moving to a more ad supported model won't work if they don't have ads to show people.
Also on reflection. I don't think I once saw an ad on Reddit I found interesting or tempting. I get worthwhile ads on Instagram all the time. Maybe reddit needs to reevaluate their marketing departments insights into their userbase instead of rolling out a paid API scheme
I can't think of a better way to put more gasoline on the fire. If it happens I hope the users revolt and completely shit up any sub where they pull this stunt. Let's see how long those new mods last then, and how many advertisers they lose.
Burn everthing down and rebuild in the fediverse. FUCK these corporations.
This is the way
I still think the admin team will forcefully takeover and reopen the big subs, but I think that'll be like pouring gasoline on that dumpster fire.
I’m pretty sure that’s what’s going to happen too.
They’ll kick dissident mods out, install their own, and just reopen the subs like nothing happened. There’s precedent of that happening I believe (although for much more reasonable reasons, like mods going rogue for stupid or anti-free speech stuff).
And it’s going to be an absolute shitshow. I feel sad, but I also kind of love it. You reap what you sow, I guess.
If they force a reopen, we should all get ready to post Never Gonna Give You Up music videos all day long.
Absolutely incredible to see. Very happy that one of biggest subs called reddits bluff. Which I believe is where we are. Reddit thinks the users that actually care about 3rd party apps will move on at this point and reddit will have the everyone else switch to their apps with no more of a thought than swiping up to the next tik tok video. I'm deleting my last account on Reddit now in solidarity. Lemmy and the fediverse feels nice. I am in near complete control of my data running my own instance while still being able to interact with literally everyone I want and don't want. My ublock isn't blocking a single thing, no trackers, no more being a commodity. Already fine communities are springing up with thoughtful moderation, rules and inclusivity.
I am super excited about what is happening here.
I appreciate the effort, but since this is one of the main subreddits the Reddit admins will simply purge these subreddits of their mods, install new ones, and reopen it (they’ve already done something like this before).
The real question is how well will the sub operate then? I imagine not very well since all of the experienced mods and their tools are gone.
This was my immediate reaction too. Reddit will likely replace the current moderator team of r/videos and reopen. Nonetheless I can appreciate and respect the gesture/message.
This is easy to do for one subreddit. And it's a large one. Would easily need 10+ mods to keep it running. But if a few of these large subreddits revolt, I don't think reddit can simply replace them all.
Not only that but I think replacing the entire mod team would cause a revolt anyways. Tensions are extremely high
indefinitely != permanently
It's not pedantic. There IS a difference, and it's relevant in this case.
For me it's a double sided problem. Even if reddit solves the moderation tools problem which user the api (and they will because those are the tools of the free labor they explore) there will be still the problem with the user experience. Even if subreddits reopen I will never use the official reddit app, the same way I refuse to use the official twitter app since apps like Falcon Pro, Flamingo or Talon stopped working.
Reddit CEO can bargain the deal he wants that I don't care anymore. For me reddit is now only a repository where I will continue to search specific information. It is no more a place where I want to participate in online communities.
That was my line of thought as well, however...
Reddit will stop being a good information repo very quickly as users ~~who actually know what they're talking about~~ leave and the information stops being up to date. The trend of adding "reddit" to every google search will die out soon.
I’d like to see the big subs each create an official mastodon account for the sole purpose of announcing trustworthy information. One the subs come back up, especially if it’s earlier than expected, how will we know if they were taken over by the admins?
I'm already feeling at home on kbin. Really liking this fediverse stuff! I don't think I'm going to miss reddit at all.
I think the neat thing is while you're on KBin, I'm on Lemmy and we can still interact. I just wish it was easer to understand for the non tech savvy people. It's going to make adoption by the mainstream hard
If all of these Reddit-type services used activity pub, it wouldn’t matter where people went. Discovery might still be a challenge but interoperability wouldn’t
This is my first time seeing a kbin and a Lemmy user interact with each other. I did conceptually understand the fediverse, but this actually puts it into perspective. That's amazing!
Ultimately here's what's going to happen: These closed communities will be forcefully reopened by Reddit admins, the mods will be removed and replaced with toadies that will follow the new rules, and it will inevitably descend into exactly what Twitter is descending into: a right-wing propaganda outlet with racists, anti-Semitic, misogynistic, homophobic content dominating the forums that took a stand.
I commend the shutdown but if things get out of hand reddit admins will take over the popular subs. They won’t let a prime sub get shut down by mods.
I think there may not be enough competent volunteer mods to take it over. They could replace them with paid reddit employees like other big platforms but that's gonna cost them more than the 20mil a year they apparently think 3rd party apps are costing them.
At this point in time, reddit cares about numbers, not competency. It doesn’t matter If a sub (or the entire site) degrades over time, as long as IPO numbers are maximized so they can cash in.
Good god I knew it wasn't going to go well but I didn't think they'd crash and burn it THIS bad.
The bar was on the floor and they still managed to somehow clip underneath it through the floor, end up in some backrooms-esque dimension only to trip on a banana peel and land face first in a pie.
Thanks for grabbing the text, that's very helpful. Good for /r/videos, way to send a strong message.
I took r/edc restricted yesterday, though we are/were tiny. While I still plan to find replacement mods from within the community after reddit goes full dipshit, I'm done ring their work for free, with shit tools, next to zero support, and (worse, imo) taking a lot of flak from admins because of bullshit unrelated to moderation.
I dunno if lemmy is going to become the reddit replacement or not, but I'm done with giving reddit anything at all. Overwrote and deleted everything from my author account that had some decent amount of fiction, and my personal account that had a lot of real stories from my life. That ain't much, but since I've seen my stuff being read on YouTube, and reposted by the copy/paste bots, it's something I guess.
Reddit:
Tsk tsk, reddit...
Man, why does everything I like have to go to hell?
Man it's just so wild to watch what's going on over there right now. Even when subreddits come back after a couple days it may not matter if bot-assisted becomes impossible over there in the long run.
If reddit backs off enough to save the accessibility and moderation issues, I hope enough people still leave to help create a strong alternate ecosystem.
If alternatives like this site had existed through previous years, I don't think Reddit could have survived a lot of its previous mistakes.
I think any and all subreddits should go this way.
Reddit is only popular because of the users. We create the content. Yes, a lot of posts on the website are external links but all discussions are generated and concluded by us, the users.
Shutting subs down for 1-2 days and going back to normal is not going to have much of an impact. It's akin to a server blip. If subs shut down indefinitely then reddit has a real problem. 'Normal' users will start to take notice, whereas they currently might not be paying much attention. These subs should go the other route. Shut down and promote alternatives (such as lemmy!) to divert traffic away from reddit.
Pigboy Spez talked about not being profitable. No shit, you dick. This is how you become even less profitable, by pissing off the entire user base.