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That's the question really. I hear the terms metadata and torrents thrown around all the time when talking about internet and privacy, but I don't really understand them and when I tried googling torrents I was just confused. Can someone explain one or both like I'm 5?

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[–] funnystuff97@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Torrenting is simply a special method of uploading and downloading files. I can elaborate if you wish, but I'll leave it at that. It's worth noting that torrenting is typically used to distribute illegal media-- there's nothing wrong with the act of torrenting itself, but because of the method of which torrenting is achieved, it's mostly used to download/upload pirated movies, games, music, etc. Lots of legitimate things can be torrented, such as Linux distributions. If you're ever considering torrenting media which may be illegal, make sure you're fully informed. (Many will argue about the ethics of pirating media, I think this is beyond the scope of this discussion.)

As for metadata, "meta" means "self-referential". So Meta data is data about data, which is to say, it's information about itself. Metadata describes many aspects of a file. If you've ever opened the properties of a file and seen that it was "created January 1, 1980", or "1.2 MB", or "authored by Big Books Inc", etc, that's all metadata. In terms of privacy, some files could possibly have metadata such as the name of the user who created it, their geological location, the device the user used to create it, etc. I personally don't think it's something to be extremely paranoid over, but it is something worth looking a bit more into if you care about online privacy. Also worth noting that most image sharing sites and services strip images of their metadata when you upload them.

[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So - and to be clear, I'm not interested in pirating or sharing illegal data (or even setting up a torrent at this time)- for informational purposes and trying to be better educated, how do you even torrent? Everyone talks about it like it's some easy thing, but do you have to use a certain server, websites, or what? How do you set up a torrent?

On another note, I wish there was an "internet privacy and general use for dummies guide" that wasn't just "don't share your personal info online". I'm not an idiot, but I wasn't allowed on the internet as a kid so there's huge gaps in what I know. I'm in a weird gap where I'm above the average non-tech savvy person (I know enough that I built my PC) but I don't know enough to begin to understand what tech savvy people are talking about. I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can without looking like a complete idiot.

[–] funnystuff97@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

As others have stated, it's usually as simple as downloading a torrenting program and finding something to torrent. There are many programs, and many sites dedicated to hosting torrented files, both of which would probably be breaking the rules of this instance if I were to link them. But for the sake of intellectual curiosity, if you look them up, you can find them easily. (If you're interested in what torrenting is and why it's different than just downloading, I've moved my paragraph to the bottom to ease the wall of text.)

As for internet privacy, there's no one singular repository of information or "holy bible" as it were to adhere to. Internet privacy is something you just pick up over time as you get used to the Internet and indeed make many mistakes on your own. I've done my fair share of clicking shady links and losing access to my accounts in my day, and as they say, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So don't be so hard on yourself, you'll learn in due time, one way or another. Don't be afraid to ask more questions and make your own mistakes, it's only human. Right now, as long as you're partially aware of some of the dangers of the Internet, you're already leaps and bounds ahead of other people, and that's a-okay.


Anyway, as for the intricacies of torrenting, it's actually a very interesting and seemingly complex but actually simple system. Torrenting is also called peer-to-peer transferring, which as the name implies, is done by transfering information between everyone! Like others have said in this thread, you're not just downloading a file from some server somewhere, but you're getting many many small pieces of information from potentially hundreds or thousands of different people. It's like if you tried reconstructing a book by going to your friend John, and he photocopies the first chapter, then you go to your friend Mike, and he photocopies the second chapter, and so on. Files in a torrenting network are broken into small blocks, which are downloaded from other peoples' computers, and then reconstruted as one file on your own computer! This does imply that, while you are downloading a file while torrenting, you're also uploading it! When you receive information from others, your computer then also turns around and broadcasts that information to anyone in the torrenting network who still needs it. When you've fully downloaded the file, you can also choose to continue uploading and broadcasting the file for other people to download from. (This is called "seeding" and is typically seen as either a nice thing to do, or downright mandatory in some circles.) You can probably see now why piracy is so prevalent here, as it's downright impossible to squash an entire network of people all sharing files amongst each other, and law enforcement can't prevent everyone from doing it. (And if you're taking proper precautions like using a reputable VPN, they won't even know you're torrenting anything at all!) It's a very interesting system, one that I think is super neat, but it does have its positives and negatives. Hope you found this as interesting as I do!

[–] TheOneCurly@lemmy.theonecurly.page 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A good example for metadata and privacy that might be applicable to you is photos. Phone cameras attach a ton of useful data to your photos, often including the exact gps coordinates where it was taken. Sharing those files directly with people could potentially leak your home address. Most online photo hosting services (Facebook, imgur, Instagram, Lemmy, etc) strip that data for you but that wouldn't be the case if you directly emailed it to someone.

Nothing to be super paranoid about but it's a great example of metadata leaking unintuitive information.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Metadata can include phone model, camera type (aperture, size, other camera stuff idk), gps location, owner's name, date created, etc. This info can be used to identify you and fingerprint you.

[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok, so I do know about all this, but I guess I never knew this was what it was called

[–] MindlessZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

An incredibly generic answer is that metadata is just "data about data". In the given example, the photo was the data, so time taken, location, phone model, etc is all data about the picture, i.e. metadata. The same can be true of any kind of data. If you're used to windows file extensions you could even think of those as metadata. ".txt" doesn't change the contents of a file, but it does tell you that it's text.

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 year ago

When you take the picture, the picture is the data, the how, when and where of the action of taking the picture is the metadata. Same with other generated information.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Metadata is easily said as data about data.

You download 'file.torrent'

Metadata contains what's inside file.torrent, it's size, location (IP address), folders etc...

Any .torrent file is basically a text file that holds information (metadata) and it what you want to download, and who is uploading it/where they are/what files/file size..etc

[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, in really simple terms, meta data is like a customs declaration slip on a package?

[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

yeah, that sums it up pretty well.