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This cartoon from The Seattle Times illustrates how America's economic pizza is actually sliced per capita, highlighting the massive disparity between the Top 1%, the merely wealthy, the upper middle class, and the lower 50%.

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[–] Stigger32@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

Yep. It’s is the (nearly) end game of pure capitalism.

Which is why you see lately the attack on anything that is given or provided by government.

Because they want more of the pizza. They want it ALL.

And yet they are meat sacks like the rest of humanity. With all the strengths and weaknesses everyone called a human has.

Why are they special? Why are they allowed to hog ALL the wealth?

Because we let them.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 42 minutes ago

This doesn't show the severity of it.

A better pie chart would show:
~ The top 0.001%
~ Everyone else in the top 0.01%
~ Everyone else in the top 0.1%

You're likely already guessing how the pie looks with those groups figured in.

Note that absolutely everything above $30 million is pure capital. Its only purpose is to make more money.

Note that people this rich can do a lot of incompetent and heinous stuff and still fail upwards.

Note that a considerable number of the ultra-wealthy think of working class humans as NPCs and would rather replace us all with machines that cost twice as much to maintain.

[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Mod log just says "Ban evasion, repeated violations of ToS" across a few dozen coms. I guess mods got sick of them.

[–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 2 points 9 minutes ago

I've noticed lately a lot of mods are banning people posting a lot. Which is really fucking stupid because they are removing the people creating interaction. Even if they are just copy and pasting from reddit. A) who cares, b) many people here aren't on reddit, and c) the mods are going to kill their own communities if they keep this up.

[–] M137@lemmy.today 0 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago)

Ah, yes, this is only an issue in the US... And also, nothing other than the US matters or exists.

[–] GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 hours ago

The due date for the Epstein class’s execution is way overdue

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It's exponential by design. It doesn't have to be, but slowly the rich have made it this way as they tried to gain more and more, and lobby for more and more.

[–] Lor@leminal.space 19 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Yes and the middle class who think they have money keep voting for this.

[–] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is well studied in "capital and ideology". Over the last 40 years in usa, euorpe educated tend to vote left, wealth votes right, which is a switch from how it used to be.

However it seems like at least in usa there isn't that much difference between left and right when it comes to taxing wealth. Hence the steep rise in inequity since regan

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

During the Reagan era, lobbyists were allowed back into Washington, and officials on both sides (or non-partisan) were quickly captured.

Paul Krugman has a great comment about it. Paraphrased, politicians tend to listen more to well-dressed, well spoken lobbyists than they do nerdy economists.

[–] karlhungus@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

He cut taxes for the wealthy by enormous amounts

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 minutes ago

It’s hurt America more then we’ll ever know. Trickle down economics isn’t it when your top 1% is super greedy

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago

In my experience the difference in voting is really between the educated class and the uneducated class. Educated people are tend to be left wing. Uneducated people tend to be right wing. I'm pretty sure the data bears that out.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I like "this is not a joke". I really appreciate anybody trying to put into perspective how insanely unequal things are by using real numbers where possible.

The problem is that things are so unequal that it's just about impossible to illustrate. For example, the "Top 1%" label is perfectly accurate, but doesn't illustrate both how small and also how large the top 1% is. 1% is still 3.5 million people, which is large. It isn't just Bezos and Musk. It's also guys who own car dealerships.

OTOH, it's also small. There are 4 people in that illustration, and the "top 1%" should really be 1 guy in a room of 100.

It's also hard to remember that the "lower 50%" isn't just "the poors". It's literally half the people in the country. It's not 1 guy at a table with 4 people who is only getting crumbs, it's half the people at that table getting crumbs. I would bet that at least 80% of Americans think they're richer than the bottom 50%.

That's also without trying to deal with the issue of "1 billion dollars", which just isn't a number that people have much ability to picture. 1 billion feels like it's similar to "1 million", but it's not.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It also doesn't do anything to show the scale in the top 1%. There is more difference from the top and bottom of that single percentage than there is in the entire pizza and crumbs.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 30 minutes ago

Yeah. The difference between the net worth of Elon Musk and of Gary Tharaldson is basically Elon Musk's entire net worth. And, Gary Tharaldson is a billionaire and the richest person in North Dakota.

The "merely multi-millionaires" are still a problem. Their wealth corrupts the democratic system. But, it isn't as dangerous as Musk's or Bezos's power.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 83 points 9 hours ago
[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

How about a different kinda slicing?

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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

Yes looks bad, but lets export this system, the "liberal international order" all around the world. It's a good thing. Lets support the liberation of any other system and welcome them into our blossom on inequality based on wealth.

The irony is that most leftists will agree with OP, but then be happy to support sanctions and attacks on countries like Venezuela. Were happy to support anti Maduro propaganda.

They STILL something think that this US system of liberalism is better than what the enemies of the US empire do. Like Socialism in Libya - Wikipedia under Ghaddafi and nobody gives a shit when NATO bombs it.

So I've started to hate these memes not because I don't think they are not illustrative, but because they somehow do not translate into anything resembling a rational world view on policies or foreign policy based on solidarity. I hate it because like 90% of the people upvoting this are liberals and secretly US imperialists.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

How do group liberalism in with imperialism and indiscriminate bombing? The two are unrelated. Gaining capital at the expense of all else is not "liberal" it is capitalist

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So you can understand me as talking about classical liberalism or what you would call neoliberalism. But MOST people on the "left" are fine with many aspects of capitalism, including the moral belief in inequality based on class / wealth. If I make more money, I deserve better healthcare, my kids better food and education. Most "leftists" are closer to classic liberals than socialists (I think).

The other view on this is that "liberal values" or "the liberal international order" means that there ARE no ideological values that are inherently better or worse. It's all just a question of voting for them or not. A personal choice. Except it's not.

First people do no or can not accept how much of mass opinion is manufactured (e.g. "manufacturing consent" is in hyperdrive today). If you invest in private media and PR campaigns and fund the right groups you can completely manipulate and interfere in the affairs of other countries. This is the playbook for the color revolutions, what is done today overtly by the NED which used to be done covertly by the CIA. It's the same thing though.

Second is that because there is no "definite ideology of the state" except "anything goes and greed is good" (e.g. commercial property enshrined in fundamental law) there is no counterweight. This does not have to be spelled out, it is an inevitable outcome of the starting conditions. The power to influence ideology does not rest with the state and it does not rest with the people: It rests with those who have the most power outside of the state.. Those who have the most money and influence. The plutocrats and institutions and corporations. THEY are what have power in a "liberal democracy". Because there is nothing to oppose these powers because the state is liberal, permissive of all ideology. What remains is powers like Koch brothers, Musks, Murdochs, Think Tanks, bla bla institutes, churches. In a bygone era there used to be unions, but even in social democratic countries they are at least partially captured.

So the idea of "liberal values" as being different from classic or neoliberalism is shaky at best. It's one of the "big lies" of western democracies. There is only power (Sith axiom). And all political power derives from economic power (homebrew axiom / headcanon)

Or maybe like this: If you could run a computer simulation of a western liberal democratic country based on initial law and wealth and power distribution, you would always get capitalism.

At least this is my latest hypothesis to explain the complete collapse of the pluralistic western civilization.

[–] psycholocomotor@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

They've exported unimaginable horror and trauma and then blame the people lashing out against it for being not morally pure.

This system that consumes billions like a biblical winepress for turning labor into capital needs to be stopped. It's gonna kill us all. I'm on the side of anyone against it.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Libya is not a good example of socialism. unless you like autocracy with massive violations of civil liberties which neuter any benefits of welfare.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 51 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

As a top 1 percenter, I feel seriously offended by the suggestion that I'd sit anywhere close peasants, let alone at the same table.

/s obviously, because I wouldn't be on lemmy if I was anywhere close the top 1%

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 27 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Actually the top 1% in the US is ~600k per year. It's a lot of cash but not entirely outside the realm of possibility for some extremely senior software architect/manager combo at some VC startup, which is also within the lemmy target audience.

[–] VeniVerminiVomui@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

~600k per year

Why are you using income? It's wealth that matters and that's a ~$16M cutoff.

To reach that you'd need to be earning ~600k per year for 2-3 decades, to invest the majority of it, and to get absurd stock returns on top of that.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Which is still, just insane to think about.

Like holy crap I can hardly imagine seeing 4 dollar-digits of liquidity in my account. In my lifetime, and I think I work hard in a role in society like anybody else.

Something like that would require the most unlikely of windfalls. To think there's people out there, somewhat "commonly", going "Hmmm yerrs, let's put $20k into these stonks. Indeeed..."

...and then they reap returns, and go on and start businesses with "risk" (but not much, proportionally) and then publish books about "quitting the rat race and following your dreams."

And they might be a few zip codes away from me. It's nuts to me. Incomprehensible, really. Just...damn.

I don't wanna be rich, that sounds awful. I just wanna stop forever bracing against the next inevitable-but-untimeable calamity that threatens to throw us all out on the street.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah but they would never admit to being a 1%er here if they know what's good for them.

And besides, nowadays the real oligarchs are 0.1%ers or even 0.01%ers.

1%ers at this point are literally just the higher end of the upper-middle class...

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 7 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, in terms of the wealth distribution the 1% are closer to the 99% than to the 0.1%. It's borderline incomprehensible how wealthy the 0.1% is compared to the rest of us.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 109 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I cannot stop seeing this idea overlaid on every thing that I see or do or hear about. Every action is filtered through the lens of it being extractive and manipulative.

I feel extremely stressed because I see the bars of the cage and no one else around me wants to acknowledge them.

I do not like this. I would like it to stop please.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

Take back power anyway you can.

Tenant unions, worker unions, worker cooperatives, community land trusts, tool libraries.

Work towards owning your business and your home and your community WITH your coworkers and your neighborhood and your community.

We can overcome the tyrants if we work together. Federal elections are only one small piece of the puzzle and no one will save us but ourselves.

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 36 points 10 hours ago (27 children)

Reject consumerism, make things instead.

We have friends coming over, instead of ordering food from a mega corporation I am going to make pizza and potato wedges.

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[–] psycholocomotor@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

People who own capital on an international scale vs. People who own a small amount vs. People who own none.

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