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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Our thoughts and prayers are with Linus and his family at this difficult and tragic time.

[–] jasory@programming.dev 17 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Don't compilers have some guarantee of behaviours? I.e even if you don't know exactly what instructions and order the compiler generates there is a guarantee that it is computationally/mathematically equivalent to the statements you wrote. Otherwise it would be a pretty terrible compiler. That's a pretty big jump to writing instructions you don't understand, since LLMs can't make the same guarantees about a prompt/request.

[–] bold_omi@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, they are deterministic. LLMs are not.

[–] bold_omi@lemmy.today 1 points 15 hours ago

I am curious about the downvotes; what I said is factual. LLMs use random numbers in deciding output, so they are not deterministic.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@thelemmy.club 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know... tools made by companies who can't wait to get in bed with the Pentagon to kill brown people around the world would seem to be toxic af.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

If we're playing the altruism olympics game, everyone is already throwing stones in a glass house as it is, because virtually all electronics and batteries on Earth are made from materials mined by forced/child labor.

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/NAYT_qSsk8Jq.png

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago

Comparing AI to traditional tools is a bad faith argument and it's a bummer to see Linus fall for it.

[–] luciole@beehaw.org 79 points 3 days ago (13 children)

This is a seriously weak and narrow argument. First off, the parallel drawn with existing tools is shallow. When was the last time an editor or a compiler promised to replace employees? Which of those notably accelerates climate catastrophe? Which one of those is the biggest theft of labor in the history of humanity? Everything is political. Externalizing the social and environmental cost of the major LLMs is taking a clear stance in favour of the late stage capitalistic tech empires currently taking shape.

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[–] Mikina@programming.dev 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (61 children)

Lol, I could kind of understand (not really support) his use of AI. While I doubt it's something you can do for long without starting to make compromises, people who were a really good programmers before will probably use it responsibly for a while, until their skills inevitably erode and (more importantly) their willpower slowly runs out.

But this argument made me loose all my respect for him. It's so utterly stupid. I hate it when i have to check my assembly code line by line, because it's not guaranteed that the compiler will compile the same code I've written deterministically, and basically just randomizes what it outputs. Or when my editor does not save what I typed, and instead decides based on a random language statistics what to actually save, so I have to double-check my text word-by-word every time.

Oh, wait. No, because the tools are deterministic, and that doesn't happen. But of course, adding randomness into your workflow, where you have to focus and review everything line-by-line, is the same as using deterministic tools, lol.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Won't anyone think of the environment or small communities? AI is a nice-to-have, not an essential. We need to stop developing technology without thinking long term about the world we live in. We can't use the "oh we didn't know" excuse anymore.

[–] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Software Developers need to learn that there is a world outside of their projects. I do not care if it makes your life easier, this technology is having worldwide impacts we are not prepared for. It's leaf blower mentality. They don't care that the neighborhood stinks like 2 stroke exhaust, they don't care that it's loud as hell, they don't care where the leaves go, their yard is clean and that's all that matters.

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[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 48 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Why does everyone who starts using AI always devolve into posting like this?

[–] Lauchmelder@feddit.org 44 points 3 days ago (6 children)

it's crack for burnt out programmers who don't enjoy the process of creating software anymore. You get to have results without putting in any work of your own. In corpo-world where everything is a metric, outputting massive amounts of code quickly and effortlessly is a great thing. For the others who actually enjoy making something it's a useless tool.

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