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TIL: There are several mass shooting lists for countries other than the US, on Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org)
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I want to make it clear that I am in no way, downplaying the alarming amount of shootings that occur in the US. Just that it was engrossing to see so many accounts of mass shootings in other countries, spanning decades.

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 61 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The difference is that often times those countries are doing a lot to prevent those mass shootings and the cases where it still happens represents someone who broke several laws to facilitate an act of terrorism, rather than someone who faced next to no legal barriers to anything they did up until they pointed the gun they acquired into a crowd.

In other countries you'll be writing to patch the holes that the shooter exploited, while in the US we're literally facing militant opposition to the idea of there even being a wet paper towel for there to be holes in regarding legal barriers to excessive firearms and ammunition acquisition.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

That's because there are more firearms in civ hands in the USA than there are in all the militaries combined. Unless you plan on going door to door and forcefully taking these firearms (even then, criminals are not going to hand them over) , no amount of laws will stop someone who wants to do harm with one from obtaining one and using it.

There is a lot of stuff we can do that'll drop our violence overall by helping our society.

We can start with:

  • Single payer healthcare

  • Ending the War on Drugs

  • Ending Qualified immunity

  • Properly funding our schools and not just rich white suburb schools.

  • Build more schools and hire more teachers for proper pay so the class room sizes aren't 30-40 kids for one teacher.

  • UBI (at least start talking about it) once AI takes over most of the blue collar jobs.

  • End for profit prisons

  • Enforce the laws already on the books

  • Make sure there are safety nets for poor families so the kids don't turn to violence/gangs to survive.

  • Increase the minimum wage

  • Recreate our mental healthcare so kids don't turn to the internet for support. And to help veterans not end up as a suicide number.

  • Actively make a law to solidify Pro-choice rights. More unwanted children does not help our situation.

  • Banning Insider Trading for Congress

  • Term limits

  • Ranked Choice Voting so we can move away from a 2 party system

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Literally this entire comment is you forgetting buybacks are a thing that worked incredibly in other countries that did them.

Or grandfather policies for guns that can be proved to have been bought before regulations went into place.

Or just subsidizing adequate separated storage for firearms and ammunition.

Or even something as simple as titling and insuring weapons to close the gunshow loophole.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Literally this entire comment is you forgetting buybacks are a thing that worked incredibly in other countries that did them.

No they did not, the buy back they did in Australia, had a 60% rate. They also had a very small group of owners, 1million firearms in civ hands was the estimate...if 40% don't turn their firearms in it's still over 100million in civ hands. Buy backs do not work. Period.

Or grandfather policies for guns that can be proved to have been bought before regulations went into place.

Care to clarify this one? No one is shooting people with 1899 rifles.

Or just subsidizing adequate separated storage for firearms and ammunition.

Again how do you enforce this? And what makes you think criminals will follow these rules?

Or even something as simple as titling and insuring weapons to close the gunshow loophole.

You mean registration....good luck with that. And there is no gun show loophole. That's the dumbest shit ever. Private sales are still private sales. If an FFL sells at a gun show, you will have to pass a BG check.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Alright, let's dig into this hot mess,

> literally provides example of buybacks working and removing a majority and change of all civlian owned firearms

> "BuYbAcKs Do NoT wOrK. pErIoD."

If you have a gun a new law would make illegal it's immune to the new law so long as you can prove it was bought before the law, and you have to sell it directly to the buyback program only.

Same way as in Japan, random once a year visit from the local sherrifs/deputies to spot check everything is stored and accounted for in proper order. No different than kit inspection in the millitary.

Ah so you just don't know anything about what you're talking about and are upsetti spaghetti that your "literally even less effective than waving a literal security blanket in an attacker's face" security blanket firearm is being scrutinized. I'm picturing you sweating about how we must be aiming to take your coal roller next!

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Alright, let's dig into this hot mess,

Yes please show us how your about to cram your foot into your mouth.

literally provides example of buybacks working and removing a majority and change of all civlian owned firearms

Well that's a strong start...you didn't provide shit showing buy backs work... I'll give you a second chance.

"BuYbAcKs Do NoT wOrK. pErIoD."

Ah the classic mocking camel casing, because you actually lack a coherent thought to type out. Really strong opening so far.

We'll use an anti gun source for this one:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/16/us/chicago-gun-buybacks/index.html

If you have a gun a new law would make illegal it's immune to the new law so long as you can prove it was bought before the law, and you have to sell it directly to the buyback program only.

What in the fuck does this even mean, can you use a comma or...Jesus I don't even know if a fucking comma is gonna help

Same way as in Japan, random once a year visit from the local sherrifs/deputies to spot check everything is stored and accounted for in proper order. No different than kit inspection in the millitary.

Lol so who's paying these people to go to every gun owners home? 1/3rd of Americans own a firearm(this is a debatable number because not everyone reports having them and you can get them without ever buying one from a store)...so who do you plan on hiring to go around and check on 90+ million firearm owners?

Ah so you just don't know anything about what you're talking about and are upsetti spaghetti that your "literally even less effective than waving a literal security blanket in an attacker's face" security blanket firearm is being scrutinized. I'm picturing you sweating about how we must be aiming to take your coal roller next!

Lol you might want to go read my other comments... you're arguing with someone on the left and not some idiot repub/conservative trumpist. I literally want federal law for abortion rights, single payer, legalizing all drugs, safety nets, UBI, reforming the police, ending qualified immunity, ending for profit prisons, paying teachers more, pro union, anti-right to work law, raising the minimum wage, pro LGBTQ+... basically everything the majority of the left agrees with... except I'm a die hard 2a supporter...armed minorities are harder to oppress.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

None of your points have anything to do with guns.

I think having less guns in the hand of people would mean there’s less gun crime.

Not being able to open carry ever would help too.

[–] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

The frequency and death toll of those in other countries isn’t even comparable. The US had more mass shootings last year than any other leading nation did in the entire 21st century so far. Probably more than all of them combined. It’s honestly not even worth trying to compare.

Other countries aren’t perfect, but mass shootings are astoundingly more common/worse in America. To deny that is simply ignoring the facts.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What's scary is the US has to have separate pages for 2023, 2024 etc.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Apart from that, most non-US articles list one or two mass shootings per year instead of the US rate of one or two per day.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of a question I've had for a while, but hopefully isn't too offensive.

Is there a word for the feeling of "relief" that other people/places are going through the same shit I/we are? It's not quite schadenfreude; there's no joy to be had here. Just a sense of togetherness. All my problems aren't uniquely mine, or even uniquely American (even if the degree may differ for certain issues).

[–] DharmaCurious@startrek.website 8 points 8 months ago

Commiserate? Not quite right, but almost there. I get what you mean, though. Back in wide eyed "the democratic party is wonderful and flawless!" days as a teenager I used to think of Canada as this sort of perfected image of what the US could be. When I found out they had their own shit, and much of it just American shit imported north, I felt terrible knowing others were going through these same battles, but it made me feel less alone, if that makes sense.

[–] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Maybe not quite but being able to share and understand a common misfortune is pretty much what empathy is.