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Updates in Linux are far more tolerable. There’s really no reason to delay Debian stable, imo, unless you absolutely can’t risk some downtime.
Server rats excepted, it’s just a process that goes in the background and at most, you have to reboot the kernel.
There’s no staring at the Blue Screen of Boredom while windows update holds your machine hostage.
I work at a medium size company with hundreds of Linux servers and none of them get updated. Because it's more important that they keep running as they are than to have the latest updates. I bet this is very common for most companies.
There is nothing more important than security patches on a system.
I used to work at an FMI, which’s motto was “keep things stable”. Even the ciso department bought that crap. Until we hired a white hat hacker. The only thing given was the name of the company. He managed to get into the building, access an employee’s workstation and install a root kit on one of the most important financial message tracking systems (you know, the one that instructs other systems to transfer money), using a security bug, which would have been patched if they kept a regular (security) update cycle. After shit hit the fan, many people were fired and an update cycle was introduced.
No system is important enough to not patch. And if you believe it is, you’re wrong.
Yeah, but that just takes way too much work. You think I really care about the company's/bank's money if I'm not getting paid enough for that job? Security patches can also introduce new problems, like x changes, so y doesn't work, so the main app doesn't work... and what, then I have to manually edit code, introduce the thing that x relied on so that y can work again?
I'm sorry, but this is not your average IT department's job... or if it is, I expect a damn good compensation for it.
I've updated and rolled back snapshots because of shit like this... nah, not gonna try and figure out what the problem was... at least not for the salary I'm currently getting paid. If it burns, it burns, so be it.
I’d be surprised if you actually saw anything change from security updates tbh, I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything break from a quick patch.
Dist upgrades are when things might break, but they’re only once every few years. Leave them too long though and you may end up with compatibility issues if you need to make changes.
Fair enough if you’re not getting paid enough, the company should hire more people to stay on top of that though.
“Way too much work” — if you ever said that where I work I’d fire you or not hire you in a heartbeat. An administrator’s role is not only to the stability of the system but the security too. You’re a hackers wet dream.
The phrase "Fuck you, pay me" comes to mind.
Cheapskates don't get top of the line security hardening. Pay more now or suffer a breach and pay contractors $1000/hr to fix your broken shit because you paid minimum wage for an administrator position and wanted them to do 5 jobs at once.
This guy gets it... and probably doesn't live in the US, cuz he knows the term "work 5 jobs at once".
Surely you meant the opposite? Working multiple jobs is a very USian thing. Now I'm curious, where are you from?
No no no no, I meant what I said. Working 5 jobs AT ONCE (at one postion, one place)... AT THE SAME TIME. I do hardware, software, scripting, installing, configuration, maintenance (hardware and software... the whole shbang, DB included), Linux, Windows, BSD, servers, workstations (over 800 of them, and it's me and 2 other guys under me!)... I even do freaking rig dusting! And ALL that, for 700 freaking euros a month! Not to mention pirating, that is also included cuz... they're too cheap to pay for licenses for... well, anything really.
So, excuse me if I don't care if the servers are up to date, mmmk.
From Macedonia BTW.
Yeah if a company relies on some underpaid person from Macedonia to do an entire IT departments worth of crap then they deserve to get hacked lmao
The I can only recommend you to start automating everything you do, to make tour job easier and make more time to slack 😝
Start small, and build on that.
Try Ansible, it is easy and allows you to do some really cool stuff. It helped me migrate 500+ systems from KVM to vmware, where no commercial tool was able to help me…
If it's important that it keeps running then it should just be redundant and taking one node down for an update shouldn't be an issue. I know this is wishful thinking for a lot of services but I refuse to be on call for something if the client can't be bothered to make it redundant.
Not at all.
Jup same here. We have a colleague that constantly reminds everyone that we're not properly patched (even running eol versions) but there's always something to be done that's a higher priority.
I find this to be least acurate with debian.. on other distros a patch may or may not install a new version of that package. that can bring changes to the behavior.
On debian stable the security issues are backported. So you can patch and be sure that there is no changes to the behavior of the system. It is basically the reason all vm's i manage are debian stable.
It is also true they never crash. But that is expected of linux. It is the extreme reliabillity that is the debian killer feature for me.
"Until you crash, no on ~~cares~~ will reboot you."
Do you work for the North Korean government or something OP? Why discourage people from keeping their systems secure?
What they are referring to is people just don't update their server because during that time they wouldn't be able to make a profit. This goes more to middle siszed businesses but happens rather often
Blows my mind, lol. Usually means no redundancy that allows one set to be done while the other set handles the traffic.
"Why should we pay for another server one works just fine, a second would just be waisted money."
Also
"We need 9 9s of reliability or the company will fail."
I have two words for you, "compensating controls."
It's like goddamn magic.
Debian updates are not usually that big of a deal especially if you have HA configured
yes, im guilty of this. haven't got time to update my server to v12
i'm pretty sure security updates are optional.
Just put a "these colors don't run" text in the log in
Me with my 'homelab' nas:
system (user-facing) package has an update? It'll auto-update overnight
dockerized service has feature updates? Let watchtower handle it with the weekly schedule
dockerized service with security patch? yeah, let's hit that this afternoon
actual system update? EVERYTHING IS GOING OFFLINE -4 SECONDS AGO FOR THIS
Isn't live patching a thing?
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