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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638

The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.

If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it (such as lemm.ee).

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An official announcement has been made:

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[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Despite reports I have decided to keep the comments open and the post up. I think removing this will only add fuel to the fire.

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Might be worth remembering here that Lemmy instances, including .world are hosted by regular people. Not massive multinational companies worth billions who can engage the best legal talent around.

If Hollywood comes after a Lemmy instance, Holywood have a huge legal team and endless money. The Lemmy instance has some guy. They could quite literally destroy a persons life. With that in mind, I don't blame any instance owners for erring on the side of taking a stance that won't put them in the legal firing line.

[–] RadButNotAChad@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

This is a well reasoned answer. If this were my instance I would also ban communities linking to pirated software. A single lawsuit and lawyer bill for a regular guy, and that can fuck your life up all because you tried to run a decent community. I have a username I use for browsing lemmynsfw, I'll make one for browsing piracy related things too.

[–] xaon_rider92@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It's unfortunate, but it's kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.

I guess I'll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.

[–] snickers@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Some of the comments in here are a fucking disgrace and a disappointment.

I just shut down my own self-hosted instance the other week because of legal concerns. Caching anything and everything that gets pushed to my server and basically having to put all my faith in other admins taking care of illegal stuff in a timely manner was stressful and not worth the risk. And that was a solo instance!

It’s only a matter of time until lawyers backed by millions of dollar come knocking on the door of lemmy admins and I can’t fault lw for being pro-active. Whether or not it’s legal in your jurisdiction to host communities like this doesn’t matter at all if you’re not the one with a name attached to the server. Even wrongful legal claims by copyright holders are costly and time intensive to fight back against.

Why should a private person who hosts an instance for thousands of users for free subject themselves to such a risk?

I feel this is the fatal flaw of the lemmyverse. Before I heard about lemmy I was building my own similar system where you would subscribe to servers/instances specifically, without any cross instance caching. That way you will only see what you want to see, and if an instance gets overloaded they have to scale up, but won't bring down your whole browsing in the meantime. It would be up to the client apps to aggregate all your instances/feeds to show you a list to doomscroll through, but you would have one account (activity pub compatible) to subscribe to them all with. If there were private, invite only communities for piracy then it wouldn't legally jeopardize the rest of them either. I keep chipping away at it. One day I'll publish is.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree, very sad to see the comments in here. the instance owners don't really have much choice in this matter considering there's no easy tools right now on Lemmy to deal with legal issues and they'd likely end up having to shut down completely if they did nothing

[–] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

The entitlement is ridiculous, especially when you can easily switch to another instance and the "problem" is solved. If this was a corporate site, that would be impossible to do.

But obviously that's too much work and it's easier to just be a crybaby.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wtf dbzero was a huge proponent of the fediverse and has been a part of the recent swell in users. I don’t agree with this decision at all

[–] cerevant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Remember that lemmy.world has to keep a copy of whatever content appears in a federated community on their servers, making them legally liable for the content. At least they just blocked the community instead of defederating.

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They never even got a DMCA takedown notice or any sort of copyright claims. Just because one user asked. Wtf

[–] otherbarry@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not only that, it was a brand new account on a totally different Lemmy instance that demanded lemmy.world admins remove piracy related communities.

Honestly it seems like lemmy.world admins were trolled by some random throwaway account and took the bait.

EDIT: The post in question in case others haven't seen it https://lemmy.world/post/3175920, a new account from lemm.ee makes their first & only post in lemmy.world demanding that they defederate & remove anything piracy related.

[–] DavyJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not even reddit admins were this stupid

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit has lawyers they can call on to mount a defense. Im willing to bet this is entirely about liability

[–] DavyJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Understandable reason but there is not one illegally shared file in these communities. What's next, watching a John Wick movie makes me a murderer now?

[–] Secret300@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was "oh no what now" but with lemmy it's just "time to move to another instance"

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well there's a "darkweb version of Reddit" called DREAD But then again we all know how most people are "Afraid" of the DarkWeb because of media propaganda. Additionally, you'll have to endure reading DREAD while it's in light-mode (if you use the "Safest" setting in TOR)

[–] Brown_dude69@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Why would lemmy world do this?

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Given lemmy.world's uptime vs how well pirates keep torrent seeds up, I'd be surprised if anyone in that community actually uses lemmy.world as a primary instance lmao

[–] diffuselight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.

It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.

I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

So join one of the instances that got defederated.

All these problems comes from centralization.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

It was inevitable and it's not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they're storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they're storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.

We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don't take it out on the admins.

[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

This is probably the best option for Lemmy.world. It’s not being run by a big company, after all. Normal people often get screwed when their servers have anything related to piracy on them.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I'm on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it's really fucking annoying. Like I'm not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union's genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.

[–] LordShrek@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

again, this why i claim that lemmy is not the solution to the problem we are trying to solve.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What is why? What is the solution we're trying to solve?

Lemmy being imperfect doesn't change the fact that it does solve one big problem: it takes the big corporation and its influences out of the equation. It is not possible for a centralized solution to do this.

[–] small44@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago

In lemmy big instances have influence just like big corporation have influence. There's no difference

[–] EmperorHenry@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I've never pirated anything made by a giant mega-corporation! That would be wrong and immoral!

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.

Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

Edit: Didn't mean to ridicule any of you all. I based my comment on my experience when I signed up. At that time there were plenty of instances to pick from and getting approved at my instance of choice was very quick. My bad.

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

Maybe I didn't have my crystal ball nearby when I was creating my Lemmy account.

Maybe many users will have an account on the largest server, because by definition it's the largest server, with the most users. 🙄

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Beauty of fediverse, people can just find another spot or move to another instance while most of the community continues no problem.

Just an example that system working as intended

[–] timicin@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don't do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can't find any pirating stuff to share.

[–] spaxxor@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Itt: children crying that something got blocked. They also don't know how lemmy works if they just bitch about where it's hosted.

Lemmy is mirrored with all federated instances

[–] Username2345@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Good ridance! piracy jeopardizes the stability of !Lemmy.world If you want to be a pirate, do stupid illegal shit fine, but don't drag everyone else with you

[–] 1984@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's illegal so of course they have to block it.

You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it's on Lemmy or not?

Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.

It's adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.

You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?

If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 years ago

You all can leave .world whenever you want to; nothing's stopping you

[–] 1984@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago

I don't get it.... You can start 100 pirate instances if you want. Just not federate with Lemmy.world.