The AI in black fled into the desert and the wordslinger followed.
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This is my favourite comment on Lemmy so far.
Don't worry, a later AI will republish it and it will suck.
The Gunslinger was one of my favorites, before King decided to George Lucas it.
We need an AI with all human knowledge, or various with different specializations. But those AIs must not be in the hands of companies.
AI doesn't currently have any knowledge of facts. It just knows patterns.
if you think companies are going to misuse and abuse ai, just wait until we find out how the man is using them.
Problem is, how are you gunna run it? Meta has already open sourced an LLM that rivals GPT-4 with only 65B parameters, but you can't even come close to running it with a top of line GPU.
Maybe the Wikipedia Federation can do it.
They could! It is open source.
I mean, yeah, duh. Just ask any of them to write a paragraph "in the style of INSERT AUTHOR".
If it can, then it was trained on that author. I'm not sure how that's a problem though.
We don't have the legal framework for this type of thing. So people are going to disagree with how using training data for a commercial AI product should work.
I imagine Steven King would argue they didn't have licenses or permission to use his books to train their AI. So he should be compensated or the AI deleted/retrained. He would argue buying a copy of the book only lets it be used for humans to read. Similar to buying a CD doesn't allow you to put that song in your advert.
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Yes, and all of modern fantasy is heavily influenced by Tolkien's writing, who in turn took inspiration from old legends like Beowulf.
As if human artists and writers are blind to anything ever created.
Humans with imperfect memories being influenced by a work <> AI language models being trained on a work.
You seem to imply that AI has perfect memory. It doesn't.
Stable Diffusion is a 4GB file of weights. ChatGPT's model is of a similar size. It is mathematically impossible for it to store the entire internet on a few GBs of data, just like it is physically impossible for one human brain to store the entire internet with its neutral network.
But you can easily fit all of Kings work in a 4gb model. Just because it isn't done in the most popular models, doesn't make it ethical to do it in the first place.
In my opinion, you should only be able to use a work to train an AI model, if the work is public domain or if you have explicit permission to do so by the license holder. Especially if you then use that model for profit or charge orders to use ie.
But you can easily fit all of Kings work in a 4gb model.
But, uhhhh, they didn't. They didn't copy everything, word for word, and put it into a model. That's not how AI models work.
I didn't claim it was.
We can discuss technicalities all day long, but that's so beside the point. Thread OP claimed that creating an LLM based on a copyrighted work is okay, because humans are influenced by other works as well. But a human can't crank out hundreds of Stephen King-like chapters per hour. Or hundreds of Dali-like paintings pretty minute.
If King or Dali had given permission for their works to be used in this way, it might have been a different story, but as it is, AI models are being trained on (and profit from) huge amounts of data that they did not have permission for.
Edit: nevermind, I think trying to discuss AI ethics with you is pointless. Have a nice weekend!
But a human can’t crank out hundreds of Stephen King-like chapters per hour. Or hundreds of Dali-like paintings pretty minute.
so?
Sure, if you want to see it like that. But if you try out StableDiffusion, etc you will notice that "imperfect memory" describes the AI as well. You can ask it for famous paintings and it will get the objects and colors generally correct, but only as well as a human artist would. The details will be severely lacking. And that's the best case scenario for the AI, because famous paintings will be over represented in the training data.
Nah.
By default an AI will draw from its entire memory, and so will have lots of different influences. But by tuning your prompt (or restricting your input dataset) you can make it so specific, it's basically creating near perfect clones. And contrary to a human, it can then produce similar works hundreds of times per minute.
But even that is beside the point. Those works were sold under the presumption that people will read them. Not to ingest them into a LLM or text-to-image model. And now, companies like openai and others profit from the models they trained without permission from the original author. That's just wrong.
Edit: As several people mentioned, I exaggerated when I said near perfect clones, I'll admit that. But just because it doesn't violate copyright (IANAL), doesn't mean it's ethical to take a work and make derivatives of it on an unlimited scale.
If you wanna make the claim that AI can make perfect clones, you gotta provide more proof than just your own words. I personally has never managed to make that happen.
Have you used Stable Diffusion. I defy you to make a perfect clone of any image. Take a whole week to try and refine it if you want. It is basically impossible by definition, unless you only trained it on that one image.
Obviously restricting the input will cause the model to overfit, but that's not an issue for most models where Billions of samples are used. In the case of stable diffusion this paper had a ~0.03% success rate extracting training data after 500 attempts on each image, ~6.23E-5% per generation. And that was on a targeted set with the highest number of duplicates in the dataset.
The reason they were sold doesn't matter, as long as the material isn't being redistributed copyright isn't being violated.
That doesn't bode well for humanity.
And? If we are that pathetic maybe we deserve extinction.
How does having a new tool leave you worse off?
Now that might give an AI scary ideas...
Is that why when I ask ChatGPT to tell me a scary story, it invariably contains a sex scene between minors?
So if your AI responses are biased towards car crashes you will know why now.
Take a Stephen King book you have never read. Open a random page and point to a random paragraph. Do this 3x. You will find a car crash, a memory of a car crash, someone talking about a car crash, or someone concluding X happened because of a car crash.
Does he also have a problem with people that were changed by his books?