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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] veng@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

Well in the UK, considering that a return ticket to London for commuting hours costs me £140, no, it is not the future here. I could drive most of the way from home into London, pay the ULEZ charge, park in an expensive train station car park and get a short distance train for a third of that, including fuel.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

But that's an issue with capitalism, not the technology itself. Roads and high(motor)ways are very heavily subsidized and tax funded, while rail in the UK is largely privatized. It's just a sign of what is being prioritized by government and/or society, which is cars in this case. There are plenty of places where public transit is free or at least the definitive cheapest way to travel, also due to government funding.

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[–] Novman@feddit.it 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In Europe ( i mean Paris, France and Italy ) public authority had pushed hard on micromobility, but now they are, in reality banning it cause safety problems.

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[–] ytg@feddit.ch 6 points 1 year ago

It's funny because trains are both the past and the future.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At one point you just can't move all these people where they need to be in individual tin cans that seat four but mostly hold one.

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[–] bill_1992@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Also, trains and light rail have already been automated. The tech is already here.

[–] Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wonder how a train is picking up my walking disabled mother from three Kilometres afar?

Will a train stop at my house to pick up my some two tons of gardening scraps per year?

At which time will it deliver my 100kg of groceries per week?

[–] Ton@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Do you run an orphanage?

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[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I rented a car with adaptive cruise controle a month ago and it felt like riding a train. Driverles cars could work if they aren't personal possession.

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[–] ZiemekZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Do electric mopeds and motorcycles count?

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[–] regulatorg@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Trains are great but people want their own personal bubble and don't want to stand around outside waiting for a train especially since the timetable is out of their control

[–] alphabetsheep@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is key. Urban planners and environment folks focus so much on their respective fields and don't consider dignity enough. Of course we'd all like cheap, fast, sustainable transportation, but not if that means being packed into bench seating, plagued with delays, and sometimes even risk our safety due to other passengers. Trains don't have to be bad, but the penny-pinching planners often ruin the experience.

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[–] bill_1992@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Quite frankly as an American, I think it's very American to even consider the timetable as out of your control. For a lot of places, the trains come so fast that you're not even waiting for a few minutes - like most drivers take longer to get settled into their car seat before driving. The sorry state of American transit is absolutely not the pinnacle of transit.

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[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

It's the best thing for the future, that doesn't mean it's inevitably the future

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