Fossil fuels corps don't care. The next quarter is what they care about
this post was submitted on 24 Mar 2024
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Indeed, it seems like campaign finance reform would be a better start than to pray for fossil fuel and other industries to develop a a conscience.
I'd like to think we can all agree across the political spectrum that we need to find a way for politicians to represent the interests of citizens rather than just ruling over us.
Unless the actual New York Stock Exchange is on fire and big piles of money are burning, corporations and companies don't care about what happening to the world, the environment or the people.
Fossil fuel groups and investors cannot afford to ignore...
They're not ignoring anything. This copium pisses me off.
From the article:
At the start of last week, the head of the world’s largest oil company, Saudi Aramco, was applauded when he told the CERAWeek energy conference in Houston it was time to “abandon the fantasy of phasing out oil and gas”.
But what if they dont care? What if they don't care and haven't for so long they've actively lied to the government and the public for years, showing us unequivocally they only care, quite a bit, about continuing to do whatever they please? Buying government officials, etc. all showing us their intent.
Oil company bosses may prefer to preach a message of business as usual. But neither they nor anyone else can afford once again to downplay what science is showing us about a climate threat that is now moving into uncharted territory.
Perhaps begging (hoping? coping?) that fossil fuel groups and investors will somehow "see the light" and change in their own is useless and stupid, when it's been made stupendously clear their position is firm? They knew the science in the 50s. Why would this change their minds?
God that set me off. Rant over
Exactly. All I had in my mind was, as these trends continue to worsen, flashes of mobs at the gates of these fuckers’ mansions. If we want a shred of a snowball’s chance in hell of righting the ship, we need this anger to overflow, like, right now. Not only after we’ve started starving.
Basically...
"This serial killer should feel remorse." Ok... But he doesn't because he's a hedonistic nihilist who lives off the suffering of others. You can't reason with that because you don't actually have any bargaining power except violence.
Stop trying to pretend that these people care about the survival of humanity. They knew about this, they built their oil rigs taller to account for it. The oil industry and humanity are now locked in a zero sum game: one survives or the other, it cannot be both.
Maybe you misunderstood me? Or maybe you responded to the wrong person? All I said was “we need the collective anger at what these people have done to us to become active right now. We need to storm their mansions with overwhelming force.” I never said I expected these remorseless killers to change or feel remorse. I said we need to deal with them all in a mass guillotine party.
Oh yeah, I was agreeing, just didn't really communicate it super well.
Yeah they can ignore them, but in a different way - notice how the conservative and even some liberal types went from denying climate change so there shouldn't be any action taken to acknowledging climate change but refusing to do anything because "it's not a big deal" or whatever to nowadays fully acknowledging climate change but saying that it's too late for any sort of action to be taken.
They can definitely afford it. They are extreme wealthy and growing moreso with every molecule extracted. If we want to make it so they "can't afford it", we need to change the societal paradigm and start holding them responsible for all damages past and future in civil and criminal courts.
Because it's the rest of us who can't afford it.
Direct action is the only way.
It will always be profitable until we make it cost something.
Someone owns the pipelines and they have published addresses.
Could they afford it before? What's changed since then? Bigger climate numbers? Why should they care?
They still do.
WITTNESS THEM!!
... ok, but fuck FT.
And it's the stakeholders (we all) that can't afford not to undergo a quick (and as brutal as necessary) economy revolution.