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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/8181688

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[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

'Tankies' (for the lack of a better word) have been against communism throughout history. It's disingenuous to assume they could be capable of unity

[–] sab@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (20 children)

I always wonder what the political left would look like in different European countries in the 20th century had it not been for the influence of the Soviet Union. Soviet influence ran, in my humble opinion, like poison through the veins of European socialist organisations. It seems to me like successful left wing mobilization is directly correlated with a relative lack of Soviet influence.

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many anarchists were simply murdered:

  • nazy-germany the anarchist movement was whole-sale murdered. Since then there is no anarchsist movment in germany.
  • franco-fascist-spain he murdered 200,000 anarchists after the civil war
  • ukraine machnowiki anarchists
  • russian anarchists and many more...

that is the reason why there is no anarchist movement in europe today. Before these events Anarchists were a major part of the workers movement.

[–] sab@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most people nowadays also seem to buy into the idea that anarchists worship chaos and destruction. I'm not sure exactly where that idea comes from, but it's certainly convenient.

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I’m not sure exactly where that idea comes from

It's been propagated by the detractors of anarchism. The same defamation was used towards the republic when monarchies where the rule rather than exception. People often equated the concept of a republic with chaos and disorder, just like they now do with anarchism.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah. They executed a lot of leftist thinking and set back progress for decades. And inadvertently were the reason for the red scare still deeply ingrained in many

[–] sab@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Even ignoring the executions, they set the party agenda for a lot of European communist parties, struck down independent local organization (which were more in line with traditional communitarian ideas), and made the political left wing something that could more legitimately be written off as a foreign influence rather than a legitimate political movement because to an uncanny degree, that was just what it was.

This reflects my impression in countries like France - in Spain they of course took it to another level.

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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Just call em authoritarians. That's what they are

[–] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

What an impressive turn out. Looks like they're all using the exact same "arguments" (a combination of manipulation techniques and logical fallicies) that they use every single time.

It's worrying how much of a presence these people create in online discourse because they come out in full force, dominating and suppressing anyone or thing that challenges them. There is no healthy debate.

But i suppose it all makes perfect sense; these people glorify the state, single party rule and dictatorship. Their behavior is a logical result of these beliefs

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[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Hexbear comes here to be the debate bros they try so hard to dunk on. They are dying looking for just one little morsel of dunk. Not a good showing, not a leftist unity moment lmao

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

They create such lame excuses to defend things like Trotsky assassination it's awful

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know, there'd be a whole lot less gish-galloping propaganda in the comments here if you were to defederate hexbear. Just sayin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hexbears don't bother me, but I seem to be bothering them quite a lot

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just like with fascists though, it's better not to let them propagandize, even if you aren't personally triggered by it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Eh half of them are just making asses out of themselves by going full mask off. I don't think they've had a great showing.

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

The quality of their arguments doesn't really matter though, nor does it matter whether they're able to convince a majority of people. What matters is that they can reach the few people that will find their overall presentation intriguing enough to merit further investigation, and then pull those people down the rabbit hole. It's the same strategy that fascists use, just red-flavored instead of brown.

It also makes the space overall less appealing to your actual target audience, which is a cardinal sin of online community management.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Meme has been ammended to not be racist. Sorry about not paying close enough attention to it. I've been having issues with my object storage and I've been trying to fix it. In the end I decided to rehost on imgur.

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