Poked my head in to the AMA and it's basically what I expected. To the surprise of no-one Spez is a tool and should go boil his ass.
this post was submitted on 08 Jun 2023
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I spent years on Reddit and somehow didn't realize until today what an unscrupulous person he is. And not only unscrupulous, but downright unprofessional.
We can say what we want about someone like Mark Zuckerberg, but he would never behave in the way that Spez did in that AMA. It's just not befitting of the CEO of a company.
He also had a bit of controversy several years back when it came out that he was stealth-editing other people's comments.
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The numbers are still quite low compared to what the activity now feels like. Two weeks ago I could easily read all posts and comments and now I can’t follow the many new posts ^^
I'm being a lot more active here than I was on Reddit. Trying to make sure it feels like a dynamic space for new redfugees :)
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50,000 people is a LOT of people. Keep in mind that a good chunk of the millions of users on reddit and other social media sites are either separated and isolated into smaller segments, or even then most people just lurk.
Yeah, I'm usually just a lurker but Lemmy makes me want to take part of the experience. I really hope that it will take off in the long run.
I looked at the participation (active user) rate, it shows above 20% in Beehaw and 7% overall in Lemmy. Normally subreddits of 3,000-6,000 are kind of slow and people post once in a while, most probably lurk.
Here, at least for now it's really buzzing, people get a sense that they can be heard and real conversations are happening.
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Yeehaw Beehaw!
Why is lemmygrad so popular?
If I remember my Lemmy history right (someone correct me)....
In the early days of Lemmy, everyone was on one instance (lemmy.ml). The founding Lemmy developers (and their friends, I guess) were tankies. At some point they decided to make Lemmy more attractive to the general population, and make the flagship lemmy.ml less overtly Marxist-Leninist/offputting. So they split lemmy.ml into 2: lemmy.ml for non-commie stuff, and lemmygrad.ml for commie stuff. Since the bulk of Lemmy users in the early days were still tankies (or their friends), they were still generally using both instances very heavily.
The day that lemmygrad.ml ceases to be the #2 instance and becomes just another niche-interest instance is the day we can say Lemmy has truly become mainstream, I think.
All the cancerous social rejects and useful idiots. Wouldn't be surprised ir it's being propped up by Russian/Chinese propaganda machine either. At least I sincerely hope some of the people there are not real.
Beehaw 🔛🔝
I notice (and I realize it's most likely an issue at the source and not the fault of the creator) that some now-dead instances which were formerly top-10 aren't show here. Hexbear also isn't shown: while it (currently) doesn't federate, similarly to bakchodi, it is also a fork and so technically not Lemmy, but pretty much Lemmy.
I used https://the-federation.info/'s Lemmy page to determine the current top 10 Lemmy instances as of the 8th of June 2023. The website only has sorting function for the current data, and the instances have to opt in to be included. Therefore, it is likely that some instances are not included. Furthermore, the website seems to only contain data from the last year, so the website do not have documentation on the top instances prior to this period.
I chose not to sign up on lemmy.ml as it didn’t seem that they were looking to become “big”, and seems more focused on a specific niche. How come they are so popular despite those points?
People see that they have the highest user count and gravitate towards it. Most people don't really get how federation works, so they worry about getting "stuck" on an instance with no one to talk to
I to thought it wise to pick one with high numbers. It had nothing to do with being afraid of not having people to talk to though, as I understood that we'd all be connected. It was more a fear that an instance with 20 users might get shut down because the owner got bored. In my mind it seems less likely that a popular instance gets shut down.
So what happens to an account if an I stance goes away?
it gets deleted and you would need to sign up to another instance
Makes sense. I assume the same applies to communities hosted be said instance. What, however, happens to posts one has made on other communities whos instances are still running? I assume posts made there will still be there, but the usernames will point to dead links?
Is it at all possible to migrate users or communities from one instance to another?
it isnt currently possible to migrate users from an instance to another but there is an issue on github about it so maybe it will get implemented at some point as for posts from a deleted instance im not sure maybe someone else can answer that
I think that it was also influenced by it being the developer's instance (thus kinda had some official-ness to it, combined with the domain name reflecting the name of the service) and people wanting to just give newcomers an easy onboard by directing them straight to a link rather than to join-lemmy where some people get confused about choosing an instance. I had seen it in a few subs on reddit where it was just people putting lemmy.ml rather than join lemmy to give someone alternatives to reddit.
If you imagine you're targeting reddit users looking for an alternative and you already know that some people get confused by choosing instances, you're potentially more influenced to just give them a link to one of the instances. Doesn't really matter where they sign up to an extent since it's all federated, just need to skip them past the part that might confuse them. Then if you're doing that, you're also making it more familiar to things they understand by using a domain that looks official. If you say, "Use Lemmy" and then put "beehaw.org", some might question why it's called Lemmy but the website is beehaw. You don't go to reddit.com but call it Linkit, so it may have seemed better to just use lemmy.ml to tell people to use Lemmy. Of course if you onboard people through join-lemmy then it better contextualizes names of instances that don't have lemmy in them, but I think people were just trying to find ways to spread the word without potentially confusing people with the federation aspect.
Most people don’t really get how federation works
This is 100% me, but my understanding is that you can see all community content and interact with everyone regardless of what server you're on, is that more or less correct? I went with beehaw because it seemed moderately popular (I'd read that servers can disappear, and figure more users=less likely?) and is focused on keeping out assholes, which I am 100% cool with.
A good analogy I'm seeing thrown around is email: everyone has their own email provider - gmail, yahoo, outlook, or a corporate email server, etc - but all of those can send and receive emails from every other one. I have gmail, but I can email you at yahoo, and recieve emails from my friend on hotmail. If gmail starts being shitty and corporate or making decisions I don't like, I can switch to a different provider, and crucially, gmail doesn't get to decide how the rest of the email universe behaves.
Lemmy instances are like the email providers, and "sending emails" is like interacting with communites on any instance. If my Lemmy instance starts serving ads or something I can just leave it, and still have access to all the other communites on every other instance.
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As long as the instances who's content you're trying to interact with are federating with your instance (beehaw), then you can interact with everyone, yes. It's important to keep in mind instances can choose to not federate entirely, or selectively block certain instances from interacting with theirs, although this isn't something you should have to worry about.
I'm actually quite pleased to see lemmy.ml focus on what they want to focus on rather than being a general purpose instance like mastodon.social. I read their mission statement and they were pretty adamant that they want to see a variety of different instances - and we should! Reminds me of the golden forum days.
There's definitely a forum vibe here. You can already see that the different instancess (lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, lemmy.world, lemmy.one) have their own specificities. Very refreshing.
Pretty cool to see it growing. I'd love to see where this is at in another month or two after reddit's latest clown changes.
I really like where this is going. Feels like we're settling a new frontier!
Is there a time-series plot version of this? I always have difficulty really absorbing the data when it is animated like that.
Dope! I wonder what the numbers would be for active users
i just realised what lemmy/kbin meant by "activitypub compatible", you can comment on mastodon posts and it'd show up on the mastodon end like normal for e.g, same thing with peertube and other activitypub services, actually pretty neat. I can basically ditch my other accounts, and just use kbin.
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Wow beehaw really took off recently huh?
What this doesn't show is active users, just total. For quite some time we've been one of the most active large instances. I don't remember the exact timing, but we've held the spot of 3rd most active for some time, we just now have total users to match that.
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This is really cool, thanks for sharing! Do you plan to update it again in the future? I'd love to see what happens an about a month!
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Nice work, Gabino! Thanks!
Did anyone else hear a horse race announcer while watching this? “And coming out of nowhere, it’s Beehaw! The crowd is stunned as Beehaw rockets to third place! This is one to keep an eye on, folks!”
There are some mastodon accounts/bots that update statistics about mastodon everyday. It would be awesome to do the same thing about lemmy on regular basis, like once per week or month. Awesome.
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