BaldProphet

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[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social -1 points 7 months ago

God’s doctrine is supposed to be unchanging, and yet it changes continuously.

The doctrine is pretty unchanging. You sound like you have a misunderstanding of what is "doctrine" and what is not. I have no interest in convincing you of anything, but I will address some of what you have stated just so other people do not get the wrong idea. Much of what you have stated is incorrect.

The November 2015 policy was prophecy and the will of god, and then just a couple years later it wasn’t.

The November 2015 policy change was never prophecy. It was never characterized as prophecy. It was always merely policy.

Temple ceremonies are supposed to be directly from god, and yet those have changed massively over the years.

Temple ceremonies have never been directly from God. From the very beginning, the first time they were introduced in Nauvoo.

Polygamy was supposed to be the everlasting covenant, but then it wasn’t.

Nope. The everlasting covenant was about our doctrine of eternal marriage in general; polygamy was only included as far as it involved a sealing in the temple. The words describing this are the same as they were when Joseph Smith wrote them in 1843.

…Which is claimed to be doctrine and the will of god by the prophet, and then changes with the change in leadership.

Incorrect. The Church makes a clear distinction between its policies and its doctrine. See here: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/2021/12/come-follow-me/why-does-church-policy-sometimes-change?lang=eng#title1

Then you aren’t following the guidance of the prophet for every member to be a missionary.

What, do you think missionaries go around baptizing people at gunpoint? I'm no longer a full-time proselytizing missionary, but even when I was, forcing people to join the Church against their will was never a part of the program. What I'm doing right now is being a missionary, by rebutting the misinformation you are posting. Since you've clearly got no interest in coming back, all I can hope is that you will find peace in your heart and stop spreading misinformation about us.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

The concept of the trinity defined by the Nicene Creed is vastly elaborated compared to the verses in the New Testament that refer to it. At the same time, there are several instances where the trinitarian view of God is nonsensical, such as when the Father announces His acceptance of Jesus' baptism, or the numerous times Jesus stated that He was "returning" to "His Father". How would a single being return to Himself? Why would He engage in ventriloquism at the scene of His baptism?

Regardless, we both believe in Jesus Christ, even if we believe in different things about Him. We are therefore both Christians.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't think anything that you listed is a secret. And yes, I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I'm not sure your talking points are made in good faith (you sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder) but I'll try to address them anyway.

Every prophet is a prophet until a new prophet says something that contradicts the old one, and then the old one was “speaking as a man”.

This is a mischaracterization about Latter-day Saint beliefs regarding contemporary prophets. Unlike most Christian sects, we believe in an open canon and that God actively communicates to humankind via a prophet today just as in biblical times. A prophet can say one thing and then another prophet can say something else, and both can still be speaking the word of God authoritatively.

They used to print notices of excommunication in Desert News. Literally. So this idea that “oh no, we can’t tell people about this, they need their privacy” is utter nonsense.

It is not "utter nonsense", it is the policy of the Church. Your logic is faulty, because it could be used to define any improvement in any organization or group as "utter nonsense". One could just as easily say that because slavery was once legal in the United States, the emancipation proclamation is "utter nonsense".

So, here’s your fundamental problem: the beliefs are un-falsifiable.

From where I stand, that is your fundamental problem. You sound like you feel personally affronted when someone has faith in something that you can't observe with your natural senses. That's okay, I get it. It's not for you. Why spend so much energy arguing with an internet stranger whom you identify yourself as being obviously an adherent to such a faith?

I am comfortable with my faith and have no interest in forcing anyone to believe like I do. However, it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder and are heavily prejudiced against religious people in general and Latter-day Saints in particular. I can't envision a productive outcome to continuing this discussion, but should you have questions about my beliefs and are willing to listen with an open mind, my DMs are always open.

I wish you a joyous day.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Ah yes, the continuously exhausting tradition of Christians who believe in one doctrine introduced hundreds of years after the death of Jesus Christ (trinitarianism) denying the beliefs of Christians who believe in other doctrines introduced after the death of Jesus Christ.

Our beliefs have much more in common than you think.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Christianity in no way encourages abuse of children or even people who are demon possessed.

Neither does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or its members, who read and believe in the same verses you quoted.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Wild conspiracy theories about the shit that goes on at the upper levels of the Mormon church has an unfortunate way of being proven true years and decades after the fact.

Such as? There are many lies that are commonly spread about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members. Which ones are you referring to that have been "proven true"?

Has the Mormon church said anything yet about whether or not Tim Ballard was excommunicated, despite his use of elder Ballard’s name and his own sex abuse of women? Or are they still keeping that one quiet?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not issue public announcements when a member's membership is withdrawn. The decision to do such is made at the stake level. People with some level of public prominence, such as Tim Ballard, are known to announce the withdrawal of their membership themselves, usually in order to garner additional support from their followers. The policies of the Church on this topic are not secret and can be found here: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/32-repentance-and-membership-councils?lang=eng#title_number71

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 2 points 7 months ago

Id point out that the crazy right-wingers likely have more guns and ammo but less actual training than ordinary conservatives.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social -4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Hildebrandt should be excommunicated for apostasy, but she likely has too much insider knowledge to safely kick out.

Lol, that's some wild conspiracy theory stuff right there 🤣

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

The Associated Press has an obsession with publishing hit pieces against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but it is notable that the Church isn't implicated in the charges against Goodrich and offered a substantial sum of money to the victim even though it was under no legal or moral obligation to do so. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

Perhaps there is a tonal message in your words that you didn't intend (your native language seems to be German?). This paragraph comes across as dismissing my comment while making a sweeping, inaccurate, and baseless judgment that I "distrust any media that contradicts my beliefs:"

But by you talking about “the media” I guess you are trying to find reasons to further your already present distrust in any media that contradicts your beliefs?

Hard to see how that couldn't be meant as, at best, a passive-aggressive dig, implying some level of instability or paranoia.

[–] BaldProphet@kbin.social 1 points 7 months ago

A tiny percentage of Americans hold the majority of that wealth. The average American is not wealthy.

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