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As stated elsewhere in the thread, my vote audit shows no participation from any of the 29 banned sock accounts the in the !news feedback thread, or this one for that matter. Please take the votes more seriously. If you'd like to spread FUD about the legitimacy of a vote, ask an admin to audit them first so you can state with evidence that a specific vote has been manipulated.

People trust the software to tell them what others are thinking, and if you successfully spread the false idea that votes that disagree with you are manipulated, you're not just arguing in bad faith, you're undermining the federated system we should all want to succeed.

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Props to the LW admin who uncovered and banned the vote manipulation ring. Its existence is troubling.

I did a vote audit of the Soliciting Feedback from the Mods thread, and none of the sock accounts that were banned three days ago voted on the post or the most highly upvoted or downvoted comments. If you don't believe me, I suggest asking an admin you trust to repeat the audit.

The outrage about the bot seems extremely organic, and any sockpuppetting going on is small compared to the overwhelming number of legitimate accounts casting votes that are apparent from the logs. The uniformity of the consensus does not appear to be artificial at all.

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Rule 1 Ban Count: 5

@LagrangePoint@lemmy.world (Permaban)
@aniki@lemmings.world (15 day ban)
@catloaf@lemm.ee (15 day ban)
@DoctorButts@kbin.melroy.org (Permaban)
@stormesp@lemm.ee (15 day ban)

Not a good look, mods.

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I want the bot gone but didn't downvote the post. I support the mods reaching out for feedback, and also downvoting could decrease the visibility of the bot's overwhelming negative reception.

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

The news mod team has asked to no longer be a part of the project until we have a composite tool that polls multiple sources for a more balanced view.

Thank you. It is often difficult to change course once it is set. I appreciate the !news team reaching out to the community and acting on their concerns.

‘Russians do everything via Telegram.’ Pavel Durov’s arrest upends Kremlin military comms. in c/news@lemmy.world

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I’m going to be fine without Lemmy, it’s not worth much.

That's not the conclusion I'd like you to draw. I'm an admin of a Lemmy instance. I wouldn't volunteer so much of my time if I didn't think Lemmy was valuable.

Lemmy.World has a central role in the Threadiverse, but not an essential one. Sh.itjust.works, Lemm.ee, Reddthat.com or another general instance could easily take over that role if the consensus determines that Lemmy.World doesn't deserve it. Beehaw.org is the largest instance to de-federate from LW, and if things continue or get worse, LW's admin's actions may result in a re-ordering of the Threadiverse structure. Lemmy.World is not the same as the Theadiverse.

This is a radical option that is not possible in any corporate form of social media. If it occurs or the specter of it instigates the LW admins to relent, it would be a huge victory for democracy on the Threadiverse. A Lemmy instance can't exist without its hosts and admins, but it also relies on the consensus of its commenters, posters, and voters. This gives you as a participant unprecedented control of how the communities that you build engage with the news and the world.

‘Russians do everything via Telegram.’ Pavel Durov’s arrest upends Kremlin military comms. in c/news@lemmy.world

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

They've also removed comments critical of the bot, and ignored the overwhelming negative feedback and the consensus that the bot should be removed when they've opened the discussion up to the community.

I'd be satisfied if my criticism changed the mods minds, but at this point they are not my target audience. My goal in these comments is to inform those who are on the fence about why the bot is a bad idea, and signal boost the consensus that the bot's assessments are illegitimate.

‘Russians do everything via Telegram.’ Pavel Durov’s arrest upends Kremlin military comms. in c/news@lemmy.world

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com has an interesting take on this.

‘Russians do everything via Telegram.’ Pavel Durov’s arrest upends Kremlin military comms. in c/news@lemmy.world

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

MBFC claims CNN is Left-Center, when it is owned by conservative billionaire John Malone, one of the largest landlords in the world. Lemmy.World mods need to stop feeding flak organizations like MBFC. Corporate propaganda is harmful to democracy.

EVIDENCE WITHHELD IN ISRAELI KILLINGS OF AID WORKERS [Phil Miller, John McEvoy and Peter Cronau | 26 Aug, 2024 | declassifiedaus.org] in c/news@lemmy.world

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

More evidence the Australian government doesn't care about Australian citizens.