GotMoFans

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[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (13 children)

History lesson for OP:

The Vancouver Grizzlies were NBA franchise #29.

Why such an odd number of teams? Because the NBA was only going to expand to have 28 teams with Toronto, and Commissioner David Stern wanted to be more aggressive with expanding internationally so he just threw in a second franchise to fast growing Vancouver.

The NHL Canucks had just built a brand new stadium and the owner was willing to pay the expansion fee, so why not!?! It didn’t matter that the market wasn’t huge on NBA fandom; if you build it, they will come!

The ownership group knew nothing about basketball, so they just listened to the NBA on things. The team was going to be named, “Vancouver Mounties.” That was nixed when the Canadian Royal Order of Mounted Police demanded that nickname not be used. The the ownership group took on of the Toronto rejects… Grizzlies! They even used the Toronto logo design. Hey, there are grizzly bears in the area!

The team designed the ugliest uniforms in NBA history (which oddly enough become popular retro merch) that they were hoping to would match the success of the popular Charlotte Hornet jerseys, logo, and colors which led to many imitators in sports (remember the 90s Pistons colors and logo?). So the main color was teal and the logo was extremely cartoony. The uniforms were changed in the sixth or seventh season to black with teal highlights. During that first season, from my understanding the tickets were really cheap, purchasable via a major Vancouver retail outlet (I believe a grocery store). The games were heavily papered too. 1995 Vancouver was not crazy about NBA basketball.

The organization listened to the suggestion of the NBA and hired former coach Stu Jackson as general manager. Stu Jackson was super inept and kept the product on the court horrible his who tenure, six of the seven seasons. He made some deals that screwed the franchise long after he was gone and the team relocated. The on the court product was not winning fans in the market,

The Canucks and Grizz were sold to a new owner. The new owner did not want to keep the money losing Grizzlies. So the Grizz were sold. Originally to Bill Laurie; brother-in-law to Nuggets/Avs owner Stan Kroenke. Laurie announced he was relocating the team to St. Louis to play along side the St. Louis Blues NHL team that he owned. David Stern blocked the relocation to STL, which caused the purchase to collapse. Chicago billionaire Michael Heisley swooped in to buy the team for $40 million less than Bill Laurie. Heisley promised to make it work in Vancouver. He even sang “O’Canada” during the first game of the 2000 - 2001 season.

During the season, Heisley announced making it work in Vancouver was a lost cause. The market didn’t care much about the team so attendance wasn’t good. It was understand about because the franchise was horrible all 7 seasons and despite having talented players, they never had the chemistry to win. They drafted a bust in Antonio Daniels (who became a journey man role player) in 1997 (following Bryant Reeves was mid and Shareef Abdul Rahim who was a jobber for the stars), and tried again with a point guard in Mike Bibby who was really good in 1998. The franchise missed out on finding a way to get local product Steve Nash who had a disappointing rookie year in Phoenix. In 1999, with the number 2 pick, the third straight point guard was selected, Steve Francis. Francis was very vocal about not wanting to go to Vancouver. That whole fiasco made for another embarrassment for the franchise, which traded Francis to Houston where he was co-Rookie of the year. In 2000, the Grizz drafted Stromile Swift in possibly the weakest draft class in NBA history. The fans just weren’t there.

What was worse economically though, wasn’t the lack of fans in the market. The worse issues were that the Grizzlies played in the building owned by the Canucks, and as a result, received less in-stadium revenue. They didn’t get parking, ad revenue, luxury suite, etc, Also in 2000/2001, the Canadian dollar was at an all-time low against the US dollar. Since NBA salaries were paid in US dollars but the stadium revenue was in Canadian dollars, the team was losing lots of money.

Heisley wasn’t originally considering Memphis. At the time, what we in Memphis didn’t know is some super wealthy people were secretly negotiating with the Charlotte Hornets about moving to Memphis. So David Stern directed Heisley towards Memphis. Memphis had two huge sports advertisers that David Stern wanted to spend money with the NBA, FedEx and AutoZone. Memphis had investors willing to buy a minority share of the team. And unlike Vancouver, NBA basketball was really popular in Memphis.

Memphis, Anaheim, New Orleans, and Louisville were the cities most likely to get the team. Memphis got it because the Pyramid was sufficient as a temporary stadium, FedEx was really behind the NBA coming to town, and the city was willing to build an arena the Grizz would control.

The nickname stayed Grizzlies because Memphis accepted it. There was a popular minor league football team that had been called the Memphis Grizzlies in the 1970s so the nickname wasn’t foreign to the market. The popular college team is nicknamed the “Tigers” so there was good symmetry there. If the name would have changed, it would have been “Memphis Express” but the NBA nixed that idea because FedEx announced they would pay the team to take that name and would have a jersey patch logo. The NBA announced that wasn’t allowed and teams wouldn’t have sponsors on the jerseys.

Memphis is a smaller market than Vancouver. But hey, Winnipeg is even more small than Atlanta. How many Thrashers fans are talking about how much better it would be if the team was in Atlanta?

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why would I go into your DM’s?

I’ve had the Grizzlies in my town for three times as long as you did.

In other words… scoreboard.

 

A Shelby County Circuit Court judge granted Memphis Grizzlies star Ja Morant an immunity hearing in his civil case stemming from allegations he punched a teenage basketball player at his home in July 2022.

Attorneys for Morant have argued that the punch was in self defense, and filed a motion to dismiss citing that argument. But Shelby County Circuit Court Judge Carol Chumney ruled the motion to dismiss was instead a motion for an immunity hearing.

The statute cited by Morant's attorneys has been challenged by the teen's attorney, Rebecca Adelman, who argues it only applies when criminal conduct is entwined with a civil proceeding. Morant has not been charged criminally.

The hearing will begin Dec. 11, and could last up to four days. Three consecutive days were set aside for arguments, but a fourth day — should it be needed — is slated for the following week.

The immunity hearing will be only for Morant, and not his close friend and co-defendant Davonte Pack, since Morant's attorneys only cited self defense for Morant.

An arrest warrant was issued for Pack on July 10, charging him with simple assault. He was released on his own recognizance, and is due for a preliminary hearing Nov. 21.

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t think most other organizations would be publicly begging the NBA to help them.

Ice Cube is on another level of obnoxious at this point. And his partners funding BIG3 are probably undesirable.

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

The NBA doesn't need to work with the BIG3, but barring players and referees from participating (when they already participate with other events/leagues) seems like a step too far.

I don’t think the NBA allows any of its players to take player contracts in any other leagues.

Usually when they play in other events, it’s representing their country, charity events, or for personal fun. It’s not for pay from a competing league.

You could also argue that it is beneficial for the NBA to work with the BIG3, either in helping to increase the popularity of basketball in general, as a development option, or as a semi-retirement option for guys who can still hoop but can't handle the full grind.

I’d say that Ice Cube’s public persona since he first presented BIG3 has been enough for the NBA to stay away.

The NBA wants control and they can’t control BIG3. I don’t know if the BIG3 doesn’t much to expand basketball’s popularity in a way it helps the NBA. If anything, the BIG3’s who business model is to ride the NBA’s coattails and try to force the NBA to pretend as if the BIG3 is a sanctioned partner.

The BIG3 is trying to expand, using the NBA’s brand and prestige to their own benefit but it doesn’t help the NBA at all other than filling dates in NBA franchise controlled arenas in the summer.

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are when it comes to TV broadcasts.

If the BIG3 comes to an WNBA city, they are competing for ticket sales and sponsorship dollars.

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

The BIG3 is in direct competition with the WNBA season.

Ice Cube wanted to work with the NBA as a developmental league even though the NBA has the G-League and the BIG3 is a roadshow of retired NBA players.

Why would the NBA work with BIG3?

[–] GotMoFans@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Seems like that would a Federal Trade Commission issue first.