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These are all excellent and effective strategies for most human brains, but just not all. Very difficult to deal with teenagers aren't solely a product of ineffective parenting - it's not a 100% preventable problem. There's neurodivergences like ADHD or ASD, hormone-affecting conditions like PCOS, and more severe behavioural health problems like schizophrenia - these are all incredibly difficult for well-adjusted, materially comfortable adults to deal with.

I definitely agree that not abusing kids will help reduce the amount of un-deal-with-able issue that those kids have as teens, but you can't just wave a wand and make abuse stop. Unless we as a society allocate a large amount of resources to break cycles of abuse and eliminate the kind of poverty in which abuse festers, there will still be noteworthy amounts of childhood trauma.

I think some kind of state-run teenaged-care facilities is the best, most realistic option. It's still a lousy option, but there would be more accountability than the private-run troubled teen industry, which is itself an abuse factory.

That's definitely how I try to be! 😊

This just sounds like post partum depression to me.

Even if you've given kids good independence skills, there will always be a certain percentage where hormones just hit them like a ton of bricks and they go kinda wild. A lot of serious mental illnesses can emerge at this time as well.

Teenagers are a problem that predates cars or suburbs.

Thank you, you sweet voice of sanity!

Yep! It's bonkers stuff. And it almost certainly represents a widespread cultural practice, since they felt the need to regulate how and when you could do it.

It really highlights for me not just how irrelevant and detrimental the bible is to our world, but how disruptive teenage hormones can be to a society. Thousands of years later and exclusion, abuse and killing are still the tools that the troubled teen industry uses.

Giving birth to someone does not give you the right to murder them.

Obviously not.

It just highlights how much of a problem teenagers can be that the only solution canaanites could find was "I guess sometimes killing them is ok?" It's not. Throwing teenagers into the wilderness to pillage and rape is also quite obviously not on, nor is abusing them in a blizzard in Utah.

My point is that for thousands of years, we've been failing to find a reasonable way to deal with the problem of teenagers.

We were getting a single order of fries from McD's in Missoula Montana and the only employee worth a damn looked around 10.

He kept telling his mother that the fries were ready and he could just give them to us, but she insisted that orders must go out in the same order they came in. So we waited another 10 minutes.

When he was finally permitted to give us our fries, he had this incredibly mature, put-upon expression as he said "I'm so sorry for the wait."

At my previous job their was a role where you just called insurance companies and asked them incredibly basic questions about what they planned to do for a patient with diagnosis X and plan Y. This information should be searchable in a document with a single correct answer, but insurance companies are too scummy for that to be reliable.

In 2021 we started using a robot that sounded like a human to call instead. It could handle the ~80%+ of calls that don't use any critical thinking. At a guess, that's maybe 5-10% of our division's workforce that wasn't needed anymore.

With the amount of jobs like this that are 100% bullshit, I'm sure there are plenty of other cases where businesses can save money by buying an automated bullshit generator, instead of hiring a breathing bullshit generator.

You can say that people who identify as introverts use more concrete language, but there's no reliable way to identify intro/extraversion because it's about as scientific as an internet personality quiz.

Jung's original definition that some people get energy from socializing while others have to expend energy to socialize doesn't hold up to scrutiny. We're social primates and sometimes we like socializing and other times we find it taxing but often it's a little of both.

If you really don't like socializing you may have some degree of social anxiety, and maybe you identify as an introvert. Which is fine of course - most people will understand what you mean.

But I think it's important to remember that we're not talking about a real thing that actually exists in our genes or brains. It's just a vague description of your attitude to socializing.

Nazis in the 1940s were actually socialists

No, they were not. Not at all, not even a little.

You can't eat urinal cake and great danes don't get a vote in the national elections in Denmark.

Sometimes a name is misleading.