LukeZaz

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[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Lemmy.ML is full of ML. So go get one.

Ah, I see the issue. This might help.

I don't use Lemmy outside of Beehaw. "ML" doesn't mean that instance to me. I don't care for that instance.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Alright, let's take this seriously for a sec: You want me to go dig up someone who doesn't know or care about any of what's going on in this thread, have them sign up for Lemmy and post here, all so they can stand there in front of you? Listen to yourself. You're talking about people like they're things I can just pick up and dangle in front of you like car keys.

I'm not here to arm-wrestle you. You disagree. I get it. We can move on now.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

For the record, I'm talking about people holding the ideology that instance was named after, not the instance itself. I don't peruse Lemmy outside of Beehaw, so I don't know enough about the instance to comment on it. (That said, I'll take your word for it, considering users from there have attacked me for absurd reasons before.)

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

If you don't want to believe me, just say that and leave the snark behind. This isn't Reddit.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

There are no doubt countless programs to scan QR codes on a desktop computer, and I know similar exists for phones. A camera is not needed.

At the same time though, that begs the question of what, exactly, is going to prevent an AI from doing the same goddamn thing? So it's still shit.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I did. In retrospect, I should probably bold it or something in the future, which I'll also do now. Lemmy's design is pretty comment-centric and discourages reading post text, I feel. (Plus, collapsibles just get a caret. Hard to notice.)

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Does putting that in the body text of a post not look great on mobile? I put a collapsible in the main post but I don't browse on mobile much, so I could use a comment next time if it helps.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm going assume your link is coming to a good conclusion. I find the idea that cattle farming produces a lot of greenhouse gases to be very believable, and so I will take that as a given. But even with that in mind, the argument doesn't hold.

First, people can be mad about two things at once. We don't have to pick between being upset about one contributor of climate change versus another, we can just be upset at both. Besides, I think it's safe to say that cattle farming is a better use of resources than AI is. Like yeah, sure, I think it has some serious excesses. There's animal welfare issues, the aforementioned climate problems, and just the general problems of rampant and negligent industrialization writ large. But even after all that, it's still feeding people. AI doesn't have that silver lining,^[I'm sure you disagree about this, but debating the utility of AI would be a topic unto itself, so I'm leaving it out for now.] so the comparison is unfair as well as unnecessary.

As for the IP argument, no, I didn't shoot my own argument down. Please do not mistake my good faith self-examination for a failure. Like I said, it's still perfectly viable to hate AI for that reason, and I explained why — just because there are better reasons doesn't make that one invalid. I have no idea why you'd think AI companies aren't still training on small creator's works en masse though.^[Though I'm not sure you actually do believe that! I mean, you're saying "just pull live from the web for specifics now," and... what do you think I'm talking about, if not that? What's "clean data" to you? Comments like these, where we never consented? That's not clean to me at all.] To me, that's wrong at face value, but to explain:

Training is one of the biggest things that AI companies are constantly pushing for, because they believe that's the primary vector by which the technology has (allegedly) improved. It's one of the biggest sources of the environmental problem. And even if that wasn't among their top priorities, why would they stop? Scraping is cheap. Several of them committed massive acts of literally-illegal piracy to do it. They're clearly willing to jump hurdles for even a theoretical benefit, so why quit? Why ever quit?

With regards to your anger: Alright, yeah, I understand that. I disagree, for a variety of reasons that are probably obvious by now. To me, you've either been mislead, or – knowing how AI sometimes affects people – you may have used AI yourself and become somewhat dependent on it. I dunno. But I've been mad about stuff before and said rude shit because of it, so I can relate.

I think the helpful thing to be reminded of in this context, then, is that if you want to convince people, this can't be how you try. People do not take well to "telling it how it is," or any other form of tough-love style argumentation. They get defensive. It's completely counter-productive and only helps to alienate people from you. Which is a pain in the ass, I know; slowing down to say something kinder has huge friction, while venting what you actually feel is satisfying. But unless venting is the goal, you want the former. Gentle words and impersonal, non-accusatory language can go a long way; even if people get mad it you for that, they're still more likely to introspect after.

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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by LukeZaz@beehaw.org to c/humanities@beehaw.org
 

One of my favorite pieces from the philosophy-focused webcomic Existential Comics. Usually, the comics from this guy are comedy-focused with philosophy as a theme,^[Which is not to imply he doesn't know philosophy! He absolutely does.] and only sometimes make a point. But he also just posits ideas from time to time (as philosophers are keen to do), and this was one I found particularly enlightening.

He also elaborates on the comic below it:

The elaboration is quite long, so here's a collapsible

Like all the dialogue comics, the two characters don't represent any philosophers in particular, but merely discuss an idea.

Robert Nozick's concept of a "Utility Monster" was a thought experiment aiming to criticize Utilitarianism. He imagines a "monster" with a capacity for happiness so much greater than our own, that we would be morally obligated to sacrifice everything to give the monster pleasure, as that would result in the most overall happiness. Most people recoil from this conclusion, due to its apparent unfairness. Nozick uses this idea to argue against the redistribution of wealth, because it would be unjust. He favors a society based on free exchange only, where wealth is justified based on not how fairly it was distributed, but on how fairly it was acquired. So if someone becomes very wealthy through voluntary exchanges with other human beings, "redistributing" that wealth is effectively denying the ability for people to come to voluntary exchanges - denying their freedom. Even things like minimum wage laws he saw as restrictions on freedom, because after all if two people consent to the exchange, who is the government to say that they can't? Freedom, unlike total happiness, Nozick thought, could not be subject to a "Utility Monster" because your freedom does not take away from my freedom. The ability for people to make contracts isn't a finite resource that can be "sucked up".

However, Nozick's conception of freedom is based largely on contracts revolving around property rights. That is to say, freedom for Nozick is freedom to own and control not just your own personhood, but any property that you own. Property, like resources devoted to increasing "utility", is a finite resource that could theoretically be entirely owned by a single "Freedom Monster", or maybe "Justice Monster", but perhaps best named "Property Monster". Like the comic imagines, a monster that lived forever and bent its entire will to owning more and more land could, theoretically, through entirely voluntary transactions, own all of the land. If this situation arose, the monster would have infinite leverage in any negotiation that it entered into, because everyone on earth would starve unless they made a deal with the monster. From Nozick's point of view, because neither party was physically coerced, and the monster's property came from a history of free transactions, the monster's ownership of all its property is just and free. However, the situation that it leads to seems to be one that severely lacks freedom. The monster could make any rules it wanted, and everyone on earth would be more or less "freely" forced to [oblige] it. Most people would not describe this situation as one where humanity is more free.

Of course, if we find this situation abhorrent, we have to question why we do not find it abhorrent on a smaller scale. For example, millions of people are born without property today, and find themselves having to obey the rules set by their landlord or boss, and this obedience to property is described as "freedom", but structurally it is the same freedom enjoyed by people obeying the monster's arbitrary rules in order to live. The business owner or landlord can control others by having far greater leverage, not infinite leverage as the monster does, because they have to compete with other business owners or landlords, but far more leverage than the person with nothing. Worse, if we look at the situations in terms of class rather than individuals, the property owners as a class do have the infinite leverage of the monster, because they quite literally own everything. So far as they have common interests, they will naturally exploit that leverage to advance those interests with great ease, since the class with no property relies on the use of their property to survive. As to what a real freedom might look like, where one or more individuals couldn't use their massive leverage to exploit others in any manner they saw fit, well, that is as they say a question beyond the scope of this essay.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

When I see people begin their Anti-AI arguements with “it’s bad for the environment” I tune out completely. These motherfuckers have been driving gasoline powered vehicles around for decades,

So, we're starting with this:

and are totally fine with natural gas fired power plants.

...and a complete assumption about the author's opinions. One that is in direct contradiction to what they've said in the article. I shouldn't need to elaborate on why this is a bad start.

Then you discount IP theft as a concept, when caring for creator's works (and encouraging more) is what IP was invented for. And yeah, it's grown massively out of control. There's a reason Cory Doctorow and many others have suggested that concern for copyright is the wrong reason to hate AI. But if you ask me, you still can hate AI for that when it comes to small creators, who cannot meaningfully weaponize the broken aspects of it. And those creators are precisely who AI companies disproportionately steal from.

Lastly, you end your comment the same way you started it, only now it's even more like the meme. The entire post is about how they quit their job because they now felt staying was unsound from both ethical and practical perspectives. That is a direct example of them following their morals.

I believe the arguments you make here are bad, but the condescension dripping off your post – especially when you're attacking the author for hypocrisies that aren't even real – is much worse. That's Reddit behavior, and it's not helping anyone.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

AI-driven

I look forward to the future, where we may see entire buildings aflame because someone thought a guesswork machine was the best thing to rely on for fire safety.

(Also, I don't know if it'd apply here, but there are some known problems with infrasound.)

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think it's fine if people are mad at both. By all means, encourage people to be angry at the responsible companies. But you don't gotta defend the tech to do that.

Besides, as far as I'm concerned, strong anti-AI sentiment does actually help temper the harms of the tech and its owners. Is it a permanent solution? Obviously not, no — you're very correct that the groups and people hard-pusing AI are much more important targets for ire. But two pressures are better than one.

 

Posting Dora's article as the primary link since it has the more serious allegations in it, but Argo Tuulik's also written his own detailed piece here: https://medium.com/@fourhundredblows86/the-rise-and-ruin-of-locust-city-an-all-too-elysium-story-36c02da760ff

 

Chris Hansen's in the news again with the whole "investigating Roblox" thing, and while I have absolutely no love for Roblox and would honestly laugh if it died, this video does a good job explaining why Chris Hansen is not someone you should trust.

Also worth considering: The whole payment processor porn ban thing was ostensibly about "protecting the children," so it's probably best to be careful about how you cheer on similar justifications elsewhere. I'm not saying Roblox isn't harming children (it ABSOLUTELY is), I'm just saying to keep your guard up.

 

From the description:

The West Wing both reflected and shaped the Democratic Party in the early years of the 21st Century, as they abandoned its coalition of workers, women, and racial minorities in favor of suburban professionals. The show was dismissive of anything they viewed as trying to push them to The Left™, in favor of chasing wealthy, white voters in a movement known as Neoliberalism.

Today, many of our biggest crises are a result of the wealth inequality brought about by neoliberal policies, but the ideology has recently undergone a rebrand under the name "Abundance."

What can The West Wing teach us about the failures of neoliberalism and help us better understand a path forward for progressives?

 

SAN SALVADOR (AP) — Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen met with Kilmar Abrego Garcia on Thursday evening in El Salvador, coming face to face with the wrongly deported man after two days in the country pushing for his release.

The Democratic senator posted a photo of the meeting on X but did not provide an update on the status of Abrego Garcia, whose attorneys are fighting to force the Trump administration to facilitate his return to the U.S.

[...]

Van Hollen’s trip has become a partisan flashpoint in the U.S. as Democrats have seized on Abrego Garcia’s deportation as what they say is a cruel consequence of Trump’s disregard for the courts. A federal appeals court said Thursday in a blistering order that the Trump administration’s claim that it can’t do anything to free Abrego Garcia from an El Salvador prison and return him to the U.S. “ should be shocking. "

Republicans have criticized Democrats for defending the prisoner and argued that his deportation is part of a larger effort to reduce crime. White House officials have said that Abrego Garcia has ties to the MS-13 gang, but his attorneys say the government has provided no evidence of that and Abrego Garcia has never been charged with any crime related to such activity.

[...]

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials acknowledged in a court filing earlier this month that his deportation was an “ administrative error.” The government’s acknowledgment sparked immediate uproar from immigration advocates, but White House officials have dug in on the allegation that he’s a gang member and will not be returned to the United States.

[...]

The fight has also played out in contentious court filings, with repeated refusals from the government to tell a judge what it plans to do, if anything, to repatriate him.

[...]

Human rights groups have accused Bukele’s government of subjecting those jailed to “systematic use of torture and other mistreatment.” Officials there deny wrongdoing.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by LukeZaz@beehaw.org to c/gaming@beehaw.org
 
 

Archive.

Noting that the title of the article is not terribly good, as the funds in question have already been appropriated for the purpose of the wall and are not new, and are in fact part of a "compromise" bill that also includes funding for asylum lawyers. Not that I want a compromise bill, or don't think she shouldn't push for better, but it's hardly big news.

That said, the real problem lies at the end:

Zoom in: Beyond embracing the bipartisan bill, Harris' campaign has portrayed her as an immigration hardliner in ads.

The bottom line: Like the wall itself, Harris' changes on border policy reflect how Trump has shifted the political debate on immigration during the past decade.

I am getting very, very sick of the trend of Democrats spending more time trying to appeal to bigoted conservatives than trying to actually represent their own constituents or help the people they ostensibly care about.

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