MxM111

So, we have it now, then? Or are you advocating for forced Unionization?

So Unions under capitalism?

“Workers” is too abstract. Which workers? How is it handled? How do you start new business? Who/how it is paid? Who gets the profit? In what proportions? The natural solution is to have state ownership and saying “the state is the people”, but this is exactly what was done in, say USSR. And it does not work well.

In any place where state ownership of means of manufacturing was implemented it lead to dictatorship or dictatorship like state. So, one can see how one can confuse them. But no, I do not confuse them, for one is economic system, and another is political.

So, let me ask, in that model that you describe, who owns the means of manufacturing? State or not?

You are not answering my question. Are you trying to discuss dictionaries instead? You are avoiding topic. I probably should have said encyclopedia , but you will face the same problem when you see “intensity of conflict” etc. So, let’s not talk about dictionaries but about the meaning of the word as most people would understand in this situation. This is why abstracted for you to see my point. Can you answer my question?

Actually, torrent clients download files, not torrents.

It is not wrong, it is just not full. Answer the question I ask you in the above post about abstracting situation.

Let’s abstract this. We marine you are asking someone: “there is this state that as result of war occupied territory, but did not annex it. In this occupied territory it organized provisional government, yet this territory is not independent and still under occupation. There is resistance in this territory and the state periodically has raids to squash the resistance. The resistance is not organized or have relationship to the provisional government. At some point due to events happening elsewhere, the resistance is activated and number of raids dramatically increased to the levels higher than before, higher than at any time since setting up the provisional government. The state did not declare war on provisional government, the provisional government did not declare war on the state nor is the one who is responsible for increase in resistance activity. The state does not target the government or officials from the government, it only increased the number of raids. How would you call this situation?”

How do you honestly think that person answer? As for me, I would be very surprised that the person would answer “a war”. It is continued occupation with increased activity and raids. Don’t you agree that this is reasonable answer?

Yes, I am saying precisely that. The raids are not war. It is just the question of definition of what war is and is not. One thing I agree with you, it is 1984 shit. Just I suspect we disagree who is doing it. You may want to open dictionary and check what war is.

I would not call it peace, I would call it occupation. And it is absolutely expected increase of activities there when something is happening in Gaza. That was true the last time Israel had excursion into Gaza, it is true now. But it is absolutely dishonest to call it the war with Palestine. Israel does not have goal to dismiss the Palestinian Authority, does not try to attack the officials or government buildings of the Palestinian Authority, and Palestinian Authority does not use any paramilitary forces to fight Israel. Calling it a war with Palestine is simply false and is anti-Israel propaganda in my opinion.

As for your question - it does not matter if it is 5 or 35 or 3005 times those raids happen. Weather it is a war or not is not defined by the number of raids, but by what I have discussed above.