NoneOfUrBusiness

If they do, they probably want revenge for the Nakba in 1948, in where Israel has systematically expulsed and cleansed Palestinians from their native soil.

The Nakba was really bad and heavily shapes modern Palestinian consciousness, but nobody is seeking revenge for the Nakba itself anymore. It's more about retaliating against much more recent and current offenses, mainly the Gaza blockade and settlements, resisting Israeli occupation and freeing Palestinian detainees.

They used the population of the Gazastrip as human shields, building there bases in the City sometimes near hospitals. Using human shields is a war crime.

Correction: Israel claims they used (and still use) human shields. Those claims have not been proven in any way. You'll say they build their military bases and headquarters in cities, but literally every military in the world does that.

Hamas doesn't want a two state solution,

Look up the 2008 and 2012 ceasefires. Hamas isn't fundamentally opposed to a two-state solution. It's not their preferred result, but they've taken part in serious peace deals more than once only for Israel to destroy the whole thing.

while Palestinian refugees fled to their side of the border or neighbouring states.

Technically not incorrect, but too much passive voice. Palestinian refugees were expelled by Israel, either by being directly told to leave or die or through massacres.

The terrorist attack that killed 1200 young Israelis

Another correction: The attack that killed 1200 Israelis, 33% of which were legitimate military targets and 66% of which were civilians. Don't let Israel trick you into thinking Hamas just entered, killed a bunch of civilians and left, because that creates what they consider justification for their genocide.

1910s Irish republicans,

Wait really? I thought terrorism was more of a Troubles tactic.

Maybe provide examples? I see nothing that would prevent me from saying that with a straight face. There, lemme just...

Mondoweiss isn't unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It's a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.

Forget everything you know (or think you know) about the conflict for a second. Now look at what human rights groups, including the UN, have to say about what's happening in Gaza and Lebanon. It's called a genocide because it is; it's really that simple and there are mountains of evidence published by the likes of Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and, again the UN. Also to dispell that particular piece of propaganda: they're not trying to get the hostages back. If they were they'd turn the first ceasefire agreement into a "permanent" ceasefire (there are no permanent ceasefires in this conflict) and end the whole thing. They want to genocide and settle Gaza, so they're doing that while sabotaging ceasefire negotiations.

By the way if you're going to side with the side that has hostages, then you should read up on Palestinian detainees first. Long story short: Israel arrests Palestinians from the West Bank or (until 2005) Gaza for dubious or no charges—which they can do because these places are governed under Israeli military law rather than civil law—and sometimes torture them while stealing years of their life. Part of Palestinian resistance organizations' raison d'etre is to return those people to their homes, which requires constant action because Israel arrests more Palestinians every day. There were already thousands of those detainees before October 7th and thousands more have been arrested after. Note: We're not talking about Palestinians who are arrested for legitimate crimes doing their time here; these people were kidnapped as a punishment against Palestinians for existing. If this doesn't sound like hostages to you, you should do some soul searching and ask yourself if you're trying to learn or justify your beliefs.

This probably sounds biased to you, but I took care to only state verifiable, indisputably objective facts here Sometimes things are just that simple. That doesn't make Hamas good guys; they're more gray with some legitimate resistance actions and some straight up terrorism, and it's not always clear which is which.

Finally, if you want to learn more about the conflict in general and about the conditions that drove Hamas to launch the October 7th attack to begin with, you should see what Amnesty International and other human rights groups have to say on the topic. The long story short is that Israel subjects Palestinians to Apartheid conditions along with a slow-burn genocide to serve their long-term goal of colonizing the whole Palestine and (to their more extremist factions) expand beyond it.

Mondoweiss isn't unconditional pro-Palestine propaganda. It's a well-sourced pro-Palestinian news site.

I'll ask: What's your plan when another Trump surfaces for years later? Will you still say vote blue no matter who? What about the four years after? Do you think the Democrats will listen to a constituency that will vote blue while they ignore them and refuse to even hold a primary?

That is plain copium. Every political scientist worth their salt has said American support is essential to the modern Israeli state. America has been bombing Yemen, defending Israel diplomatically from the wider world and their neighbors and giving them billions of dollars. All naturalization treaties between Israel and its neighbors wouldn't have been possible or sustainable without American support.

I mean they've been ignoring their constituents and instead pandering to Republicans while supporting their pet country's genocide even as it leads the Middle East closer to another large scale war. There's only one answer at the end of the democrats' right wing shift and that's fascism.

again for that secret reason that I know that 99% of lemmings don't know about, because as much as they like to come down and spin their wheels, most lemmings really don't know fuck about shit about politics

So as someone who admittedly knows nothing about politics, are you gonna tell us that reason or not?

You have no idea how relatable this is. This community has gone feral these past two weeks.