That's... A good thing.
NoneOfUrBusiness
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To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
Israel legally can't get any US aid or arms. Period. It's not ambiguous and maybe if they're left defenseless they'll consider maybe treating the people they're oppressing as... people.
It seems relatively minor because we have 1.5 genocides going on at the moment, but when people don't have money, they starve, and Israel has succeeded in turning West Bankers into wage slaves depending on their money. The post-2005 Gaza-Israel conflict was originally caused by the Israeli blockade (which, contrary to popular knowledge, came before any terror attacks, because it happened at the same time as the withdrawal). Just because they're not lobbing rockets doesn't mean this isn't an atrocity that will cause damage for decades to come; remember 200k people is a little under 10% of the West Bank's population. Not working population, just the whole population.
Palestinians are valuable wage slaves for Israel. It's how Apartheid states work.
Okay that is in fact normal to an extent. Adult → legal → none of your fucking business is probably the intended connotation.
So I'll ramble a bit here.
We call those readings of the Quran, and they're all proven (up to sahih hadith standards) to come from Muhammed himself. These aren't changes that came with dialect (all of Quran is written in Classical Arabic, or the dialect of Arabic spoken in Mecca and its surroundings at the time of Muhammed), and in fact there was more diversity in how the Quran was recited in the past before Caliph Othman ordered everyone to burn down all Qurans that don't follow the Meccan dialect to avoid strife in the Caliphate. I can go into more detail if you want, but what I want to say that these differences are "built in" so to speak, and are not any sort of gotcha.
I mean it is, but others at least make sense. I of course don't think they're correct, being a Muslim, but I can at least understand why someone would think that way. Meanwhile this is just... uh... What? Does this guy even understand that the study of Arabic grammar studied so non-Muslims could understand the Quran. It's literally impossible for the Quran to contain Arabic grammar mistakes (let alone how Islam would have never spread if the core of its beliefs was such sloppy work).
"No corrections were done because Mohammad did not know there were grammatical errors, which continue till today," the Maulana said highlighting grammatical errors in the Quran.
Huh??? Okay this has to be the most absurd criticism of Islam I've ever seen.
That has no basis in reality. They tried to prevent the creation of a non-muslim state and failing that, they gathered troops to destroy it from day 1.
Always here means since the 90s or so. I should've probably clarified that. That aside, you seem to have issues with Palestinians' opposition to the creation of an Apartheid state where they're meant to be second class citizens (because let's face it, Israel is not and was never going to be a proper democracy).
But even if you look at it from a pacifist Israeli pov, there's a case to be made for wanting to control that territory, together with the Golan Heights: these are strategically important to keep Israel defensible. In the war of '67 they were lucky to learn of the plans of the coming invasion early enough to defend against them. But if they hadn't, Israel could have been overrun 'from within' from the West-Bank rather easily. Which is why the wish of the zionists converged with that of the military to keep it.
Why are you treating Israel's convenience as being more important than Palestinian lives? This attitude is why the conflict is still going. You can't talk like that and call what you come up with an "equal and just peace". If Israel can't exist without committing slow burn genocide (or just regular genocide since October 7), then why should it?
With Gaza it's quite the opposite: Israel decided in 2005 to just withdraw from it and leave them to themselves.
Uh... That is a massive misinterpretation of history. Israel withdrew and, at the same time, started what would go on to become the Gaza blockade.
try to bomb the launch sites and weapon deposits.
Man, just face reality. Have you seen how Gaza looks like now? It's been orders of magnitude worse since October 7, but everything-the starvation, the poor sanitation, the blatantly disregard of civilian lives, if not outright murderous intent. This has been daily life in Gaza for 20 years. Like hell they left them to themselves.
totally not launching near daily attacks on Israel, for 20 years
Okay, let me just say this: You need to read less blatant Israeli propaganda if this is your image of the past 20 years in Gaza. Start by looking at the timeline of this part of the conflict starting with the Israeli withdrawal. Then you should look at the 2008 ceasefire and 2013 ceasefire, and the vehement Israeli opposition to lifting the blockade or allowing a united government of Gaza and the West Bank. Israel as an entity is opposed to peace as a concept, as are all settler colonies. If you can't accept the fact that Israel is a settler colony not unlike 19th century America and pre-independence Ireland, then this conversation is over.
Turns out Iceland was Arab all along (this system is also what people use in the Arab world).
Why should one side accept peace before the other?
It's not about accepting peace. One side (Zionists) are unwilling to entertain the very idea of an equal and just peace. You can't get anywhere with that. The Palestinian side has always been open to that idea, but without the oppressor deciding to consider the idea of not oppressing you'll never get anywhere. What, exactly, do you suggest Palestinians do here that will get them a state with real sovereignty?
And keep in mind that meanwhile, even though ceasefire deals existed on paper, Arab nationalist and islamic extremists made sure to keep the fire burning with deadly terror attacks agains Israeli and jewish targets around the world.
That has always been what ceasefires mean in this conflict, for both sides. You certainly don't see Israel not building settlements or not bombing Gaza or any of the other examples of their colonialist aggression during ceasefires. This is irrespective of how faithfully the Palestinian side adheres to the ceasefire (see: 2008 and 2013 ceasefires).
Yes, exactly. Support for their defense is the same as support for their offense from a simple economic point of view. Your logic stops working when trying to wipe a small country's worth of people out.