Well let's hope so so they can collapse and a real leftist (or even just sane) party can rise from the ashes.
NoneOfUrBusiness
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Well Biden for example could've done a much better job actually ~~persecuting~~ prosecuting him for his crimes. He can do that as the head of the Executive branch.
She lost before Michigan finished counting. She could've won Michigan and she would still lost. Source: Subtract 15 from Trump's EC votes.
but the Democratic Party now needs to find a new leader who has some actual policies to run on.
Yeah ain't happening until the gorgons in charge fucking die already.
You're wrong that it didn't impact the outcome. MI flipped to Trump directly because of the uncommitted movement.
I mean maybe (I haven't seen the turnout numbers as opposed to protest/non-voters) but the point is that Harris lost before Michigan even finished counting. She could've won Michigan and she still wasn't winning this, is the point.
Low turn out also directly impacted the results. PA is a different story, but low turn out was true there, too
I mean yeah, because the DNC pushed an unelectable candidate whose position was a mix of "nothing will fundamentally change", wishy washy non-promises and right wing positions. I doubt even 10% of the 15 million in reduced turnout came from Uncommitted and similar movements. The DNC blew it; it's that simple.
Harris didn't do anything any good pol wouldn't do
Huh? Look at her campaign's treatment of the Uncommitted movement, among others, and say that again. Harris was openly antagonizing her voters, relying completely on not being Trump ala Hillary Clinton and courting right wing voters at the cost of her base. And if you don't believe it, well, take it up with Bernie.
Before I start let me note that in the end this particular group of people didn't affect the election. Harris is on the way to losing all swing states. Her failure is much deeper than Gaza policy. Blaming anti-genocide voters for this is just copium.
With that out of the way, you can divide people with this position into two groups: Arab Americans and everyone else. Arab Americans are people who are feeling the genocide firsthand. So, obviously, they tried to appeal to the Harris campaign and get them to move from Biden's position on the topic. The result: They were either ignored or antagonized by Harris. That led to the abandon Harris campaign in Michigan and elsewhere. Harris considered those people acceptable casualties in her failure of a campaign, and so they were burnt out and the momentum behind the Uncommitted movement and others turned from "let's save our Palestinian brothers" to "fuck us and Palestine (because let's face it, that's basically what Harris was saying)? Then fuck you too". Harris thew them under the bus and was thrown under the bus in turn. Maybe not very logical, but a very predictable reaction. Harris treated Arab Americans with just that much contempt, and then she and her enablers had the gall to tell the people attending a funeral every other day to "shut up and vote for her".
Now as for everyone else, it's a more simple instance of taking a stand against a politician for doing something you cannot accept. Now there is a pragmatic idea here that if you allow the DNC to get away with this they'll think supporting genocide actually wins elections, or that their electorate are such pussies that it doesn't matter what they think. Add in the goal of pressuring Harris to drop that policy that was important at the start of the Harris campaign and of course the idea of not wanting to vote for genocide and this was the result.
Of course it's not all 100% logical, but there is logic here beyond "omg bad guy I no vote".
Well that's not foreboding at all.
I mean yeah but that didn't need to be now. Harris basically threw the race and that's part of why this disaster came to be. Even assuming American democracy was nearing the end of its lifetime, it should've had a few more decades in it. The popular will to defeat Trump was there.
including the 15 million Democrats, independents, and progressives wanted this election.
The what?
I mean that's basically what Obama did. It's what Trump does. If you promise 100% and only give 30% you'll be remembered as a good or good ish president. 60%+ and you're the greatest president of all time. But when you promise -10% you're just not gonna win.