Rediphile

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[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Lol the older brother is just an idiot. He isn't 'forced' to do anything at all. The business arrangement makes no sense unless the little brother being the salesman adds value somehow.

I am an older brother and I assure you if long ago my younger brother was like "hey you need to shovel the neighbors driveway for $3'' I'd be like "lol, no, go give that nice man back his money. If you want to be my salesman, I need the guarantee of $10 in my pocket minimum. If you can find a guy who pays $11, by all means keep the dollar. Oh, also I get any tips provided after the job."

Do you actually think any older brother is going to just keep shoveling driveways for $3 when he thinks he deserves $10?

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 months ago

It's not a loophole or predatory, it's just something the people doing these one-off job knowingly agreed to. I myself certainly agreed to it years back each and every time I accepted another order. The key was to not agree to orders that don't make any fucking sense. It was all optional.

I don't know how we could ever regulate away the issue of people who decide not to act in their own best interest. Probably best to focus on education or something?

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What do you suppose would happen if everyone all at once just stopped tipping and kept using the service? Like I'm serious, what do you actually think would happen?

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

So tipping is a byproduct of Americans being idiots?

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Would you actually just put your head down and keep working there if that happened to you? Like...why?

Especially when Joe's Tavern down the road is starting people off at $40/hour! It's like the only place left in town after everyone quit and all the restaurants went under, so they got away with charging $18 a beer and $29 a burger! The owner must be making a killing...

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (7 children)

This is more like someone I barely know and never agreed to be in a relationship with getting upset about me seeing other people.

If you agree to monogamy, it's cheating and unethical for sure. If you don't agree to monogamy, cheating isn't even possible lol.

So if I agree to pay the listed price of an item and then I pay for it in full...

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca -5 points 10 months ago

The only people who have the power to eliminate tipping are the customers. Even if employers randomly started paying servers $50 an hour, people could still tip...and many probably would to get that feeling of moral superiority. And that is sort of irrelevant anyway because how the fuck are the customers supposed to know the servers wage anyway? I literally have no idea what my server (or hostess or line cook or after hours cleaning crew staff) makes at the last place I ate at. Do you?

It's really not complicated. If customers stopped tipping, and servers can't support themselves and therefore they are forced to quit and move towards literally any other industry with a higher/stable wage. Then employers either go out of business altogether or, more realistically, raise wages to replace those workers who quit since the employer would like to keep making money instead of not making money. And thus, menu prices go up to account for the lack of tipping.

No one has ever been able to provide me a scenario where tipping ends without servers quitting due to inadequate/unstable income. But I'm certainly open to suggestions!

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Tipping is, by definition, not required.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Minimum wage is sad, yes. I wish it were higher. But fast food workers and many others make it work without the tips. There is no logical basis for tipping servers if they are being paid the same minimum wage as many other people doing equal (or sometimes harder) work in other contexts.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Most of us against tipping have absolutely worked in restaurants, which is exactly why we are against it. The only people in favour of tipping (which also have reasoning that makes any sense) are those who don't tip and end up being subsidized by everyone else.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I think I'll stick to piracy thanks.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca -3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I was pointing out that the person calling me a corporate teat sucker was they themself one, as evidenced by their use of an iPhone.

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