SleezyDizasta

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[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

True, which is why now is the most important time to condemn political violence, get people politically active, and vote to keep the fascist wannabes out of power.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I'm not here to defend him. He's one of the worst of the presidents in our history. His list of horrendous acts goes far beyond his pandemic response and the insurrection, and it goes was past his presidency too. He's truly awful. But with that being said, things like assassinations and terrorism should not become normalized as a legitimate way of achieving political means.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the word right has different meaning in different contexts, I assumed you were talking about human rights as in the legally protected privileges that are granted to people... idk wtf you're talking about

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I mean one could argue that Tibet is an invaded country, but that's besides the point. The only way we would realistically intervene is if China decides to either invade an American ally like Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea or if they directly attack and declare war on the US proper. Even then, it would be quite a stretch for us to have soldiers reach western China, but if we did and if our soldiers found camps where people are imprisoned, then we would have a similar reaction to what we saw towards the end of WWII. However, until then, we don't have sufficient grounds to invade a major world power.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That is a fair point, I'll keep that in mind.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fair, but the situation is similar to what's happening to Uyghurs in China right now. We know something is going on there, but it's not exactly sufficient grounds to invade China and intervene.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The ends don't justify the means politics, that's how you end up with terrorism, tyrannical governments, and atrocities. I'm all for bringing Trump to justice, but it has be done through civil and democratic means via the established criminal justice system. If Trump goes through trial and is found guilty, which has already happened for one of his crimes, then our criminal justice system will punish him accordingly. If the punishments aren't deemed harsh enough then we reform our punitive laws. We can't have self righteous assholes going on terrorism crusades assassinating political candidates they don't like. That's a sign of a failed state.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But these are vastly different situations. For the record, all three of these individuals used political violence to achieve political aims, that's one of the reasons why history doesn't remember them fondly. The constantly killed people they didn't like under the justification that it's for the greater good or self defense. Saddam Hussien did that when he genocided the Kurds in Iraq and the invasion Kuwait, Hitler did that with the Holocaust and the invasion of Europe, and Bin Laden did that with 9/11 and the other terrorist attacks he launched.

Keep in mind, we actually have a justice system in this country that actually works. If we want Trump to face justice it has to go through the justice where he faces trial and is found guilty based on evidence... which has already happened btw for one of his crimes. That's how justice is handled in a civil democracy. We can't have randos going on self righteous terrorism crusades killing political candidates they don't like. If someone tried assassinate Biden, would you being say the same? Probably not, and rightfully so, but the terrorist who tried to kill would be making similar justifications to what you're trying to make right now. The very idea is wrong.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

If by rights you mean you human rights then normalized widespread violence tends to do that, that's the whole reason why tyranny isn't exactly good.

[–] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

When it's used as a means to achieve power in a democracy. Normalizing violence is not okay in general, but especially during democratic elections, and this applies to everybody regardless of who does it.

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