Solumbran

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

As far as we are from the death of art I guess.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

You append to ENT a vision that was created years later to try to fix the problem. Lower decks did that, but the writers of Enterprise had no idea they would. They wrote it according to the existing vision of the orion slaves: a sexy, vulnerable woman sold into slavery. Which is, yes, very old-school.

But they do show that orions are slavers, as TPol for example is sold into slavery. By an orion man.

What enterprise did is keep the image of "sexy women" but added an "evil and manipulative" layer to it. While keeping them as slaves that say they are victims. How does this translate to the current world? "Sex trafficking victims, prostitutes, etc, are actually the cause of their situation and they enjoy it"?

Even Star Trek Continues managed to do much better, showing the orion slave as being trapped into hypocritical politics but being strong willed enough to fend for herself, showing that not defending victims forces them to go to dramatic ends.

And ENT didn't do that just once, the writers are visibly pieces of shit so I have no doubt that the intention was absolutely not feminist. They have episodes defending more slavery (cogenitor), they have weird crap with underage incestuous sex shown pretty clearly on camera, they have a lot of crap going on. Plus all the sexist jokes and remarks all along the show. No, no one will make me believe that ENT was trying to reverse sexist ideas, they were head-deep into them. Lower decks tried to fix it but it doesn't save Enterprise.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, I'm familiar with their stance of "hey you know those sex slaves? They are actually the evil ones and they enjoy slavery". That's the problem. They literally have a slaver say something along the lines or "I, the guy selling sex slaves, am the real victim here"

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Ah yes, weird sex slaves are badass now, amazing.

I can't believe that people can even reference the ENT episode without getting nauseous. But apparently some even manage to find it cool.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Containers are fine but docker is a pain in the ass that lazy people use when they don't want to provide clean installation/packaging.

How many times have I seen an equivalent of "we use a custom fork of an obsolete version of an unmaintained package, so if you want to compile it yourself good luck because we forgot how we even did it. Alternatively, you can install the docker version"...

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Windows is an abomination when it comes to plug and play. Errors are part of the normal use of the system and rebooting is actually the most efficient way to solve issues. If that is fine for you then anything is.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You can have beliefs. But most religions are actively anti-LGBT, so you are in a bit of a pickle here. Associating yourself with an intolerant group is going to attract hostility for people who fight intolerance. And the paradoxical situation you seem to be here leaves you on the wrong side of both sides.

If your beliefs are proper beliefs (and not weird crap from religions) no atheist can ever have an argument against that.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Qwant went to shit, this is not going to get better.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 52 points 5 days ago (3 children)

People who get offended by a behaviour that doesn't affect them at all

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

"I refused treatment for my cancer based on a YouTube video and I survived!"

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Principle of charity: never assume evil intent when stupidity is as likely of an explanation.

Or in other words: humans tend to be incredibly stupid, rather than actually evil.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

But considering the obvious lack of knowledge around AIs, it should have.

 

I've been watching the various Star Trek shows for a while now, and while not finished I saw most of them, I believe. And I cannot shake off the feeling that the messages given by these shows, especially (and almost exclusively) recent ones are pushing horrible morals that most people seem to not care about.

Slavery

I posted before, in the middle of my watching of Enterprise, that the show was supporting slavery because of the Cogenitor episode. Many comments disagreed, some even saying that they don't remember anything supporting slavery at all in the show. That was before I watched more. The show contains a full episode that is just about showing that:

  • Sex slaves are not only acceptable, they're "sexy" and cool and negotiating with slavers is a good thing

  • Sex trafficking of individuals groomed since they are born into being sex slaves is the fault of the victims for "seducing" men ???

How is this show not fine with human trafficking at this point? Is all that you need to avoid controversy, to paint the slaves in green? I still cannot comprehend the lack of reaction on this show. Add to that the frequent crimes of war by Archer and you have a nice cocktail of humanity's finest horror.

Section 31

This is also something that seems absurd to me. When it first appeared, it was already a gestapo/kgb-like group that ignores the concept of democracy, laws, and justice - in other words a horrible group - but its existence as a starfleet element was blurry. But with modern shows, they keep on bringing it back, and directly saying that it is supported by starfleet, and a good thing, or at least a necessary one.

The thing is that what made starfleet supposedly admirable was, if not every single individual's morals, the morality of their concept, their laws, their structure. Having section 31 be condoned by starfleet transforms starfleet from "utopian future of humanity" (which it was supposed to be) to "dictatorship that pretends to be a democracy but supports crimes of war and above-the-law groups". In other words, it destroys the concept of starfleet.

Discriminations, sexism, and other shitty ideas, morals and behaviours

Now this one is maybe more blurry and subjective, but it is scattered all across, nonstop.

Let's start chronologically

DS9

For this show, the constant misogyny is nothing hard to see. But they still went out of their way to put some nasty things here and there.

The episode with Quark "becoming" a woman was interesting. Quark discovers a different point of view, gains insight and empathy, that's nice! Until the end of the episode directly says "no nevermind, he was like that because of hormones, and was just an overly emotional woman because of that". Because after all, women are hysterical, right? .

Other than that, we have the toxic relationship between Keiko and O'Brian, the toxic relationship between Dax and Worf, the toxic relationship between Odo and Kira, the toxic relationship between Sisco and his wife, Jake who constantly shows that when a teen boy is targeted by pedophiles, the teen is both responsible for it, and liking it (one second, I need to throw up in a corner), etc.

And of course there is the rest, between Cisco crimes against humanity, Bashir (that's all I'll say, nothing else needed), and the weird pro-religious message that doesn't make sense.

Enterprise

We already talked about their view of child/human trafficking which I think gives the tone of the show.

But of course that's not enough, so let's put some sexual scenes about the women in particular, rape scenes with TPol because who doesn't like rape culture, Malcolm "PoS" Reed talking like a creep about "bums", Reed and Tucker with their "haha lol, these alien women are ugly because you can't tell if they are women or not" and other toxic masculinity scenes, etc. Oh and I almost forgot about the sex scene between teen siblings that serve no other purpose than to show teens having incestuous sex.

Picard

What do we have here, more weird sibling sexual scenes, people getting manipulated mentally and sexually to extract information, murderers who get away with it because betraying the federation and killing innocents is fine if you're a scenario character (reminds me of something else...AhemelnorAhem)...

Oh, and I almost forgot the amazing scene with a white Picard in his white British empire colonist outfit, going on the planet of the tan refugees who hate the federation, kicks everything around and tries to show that he's the boss. I guess this show regrets colonies too, huh.

Discovery

Now I didn't finish this one yet, and it's hard.

We have klingons that start off as a weird racist stereotype of africans seen by colonialists from a century ago: black skin, tribal armors, weird "foreign" language that the show intentionally refuses to translate through the UT, and when they speak english it's with a strong guttural accent. And they're barbaric, scary cannibals who fight with sticks and knives, and are a bunch of disorganised tribes, with weird magic rituals that allow them to do weird brainwashing. I'm almost surprised they don't carry voodoo dolls while dancing around a bonfire. The fact that people describe this show as "woke" is funny to me.

We have very explicit rape and gore torture scenes, for what purpose, I don't know.

We have people forgiven of murder because it wasn't their mind, but then it is and everyone is fine with it.

And then there's more section 31 shit.

There's also the vision of asylum in this show that basically says "we grant asylum whenever we want, not based on the situation but on personal preferences", with Georgiou granting asylum despite the prime directive, and then Pike refusing asylum because of it. It's surprising that starfleet would allow that, but at least it's not Archer-level, sending people to death then blaming the ones who tried to help them.

SNW

As far as I remember, nothing as bad as the rest here. The take on eugenics and "augmented" individuals is really absurd though, showing starfleet hating on Una is fine because her species is augmented (like the denobulans who are in starfleet though, no?), but the stupid security officer who has DNA augmentations from a crazy evil dictator engineered to be violent and crazy, is allowed without any issue.

All of them

One thing that I struggle understanding is the constant of racist stereotypes. They're everywhere, because all the shows use them to define their characters.

Keiko wants to eat her traditional food in a kimono, Georgiou wears a big kimono-like dress that would barely fit in a Mulan movie, Elnor is a ridiculous samurai-ninja with the fitting outfit, etc. As if in hundreds of years, after earth is united and mixed with hundreds of alien species, "cultures" would not evolve and mix but instead go back to being very split apart and caricatural.

P.S.

I'm not saying that the shows are shit, but that I am worried about the lack of discussions concerning all those subjects. Star Trek is supposed to be progressive and show a better version of humanity, one that evolved and grew, and yet morals seem to not be a consideration of the shows anymore.

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