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While I can see even being an agent and enforcer... it's possible to be a good guy in desperate situation, no different than how I can see someone might turn to a mobster or gangster that way. Hell even the "If I don't do it, someone worse will take the job, I can at least do it with as much compasion as the job allows".

Those excuses kind of go out the window though when they start shooting a prone, disarmed, pepper sprayed guy. I can hate the organization, and note it has horrible training. Being desperate enough to join ice is one thing... however you'd think that would lead to being as non horrible as possible in the job. As not every ice incident leads to a shooting, it's still fair to say the ice agents that do shoot peaceful protestors are clearly the worse of the worse.

I guess my point is federated services, at least prior to a world where they become mainstream, are only particularly good if

1. You have a group of people all willing to use them together (IE Matrix, Friendster etc...), Join as a group don't expect to find other specific individuals.

2. If you do want to meet people, you are looking for pretty broad categories encompass millions. IE on lemmy you can certainly find an anime community, you won't find an active jujitsu kaisen community.

Anyway so my point on things like Dating, Linked In etc.... those topics are likely to be the last to have a hope in the federation, because their services on their own, require users, but more importantly those users have to be localized (IE dating sites need, both a high volume of users, and those users need to be in close geographical proximity, and have some reasonable male to female ratio, and then have some level of common interests). A linked in needs.. job seekers, and companies/head hunters. Of which you can't expect companies to put in resources without a large userbase... and you can't expect the userbase to grow without company usage.

Is there even really a function for linkedin without... well what it is? The last people to adopt new and open source tech are... corporate executives, and to my knowledge the whole point of linked in is, a psudo job hunting web page, with some social media pages as a secondary (of which people are only going to be posting "work hard" and "I work hard" kind of messages because... well they'd never post something that might make them less attractive to employers.

I guess the point is, what's the use of an open non corporate controlled linked in? I can convince a handful of friends to maybe join a facebook alternative to make it useful, Lemmy certainly is an ok reddit alternative, at least for the equivelant of bigish communities, and mid sized tech communities.

Things I don't see working in federation, are things that you are looking for... well people that aren't going to switch for you... and most importantly people geographically close to you. Companies aren't going to use their HR members time searching for people on a niche career site, dating sites are likely lost causes because... well no matter how bad the sites are... a dating site where most people are 300 miles away from the nearest compatible person isn't going to be of much use, and job seekers don't have the luxury of moving before the companies they want to work for go.

Honestly I somehow picture this spinning in 2 directions.

Maga's going to find a way to claim illegal immigrants infiltrated ICE, and that's the reason why there's violence now... so we need more ICE to deal with Illegals.

I wouldn't say that... there are indeed scams out there that aren't related to trump... at least not until the scammer gets caught and trump pardons him.

So would be more accurate to say on the ven diagram, the trump circle is completely inside of the scams circle, (though the scams circle is certainly bigger than the trump one).

Pretty sure the flow chart for identifying scams goes.

"Is trump in the name?" With yes leading to "it's a scam"

If they had spines, democrats would be running on "we shut down the government to protect all people from illegal searches under ice. Or to prevent constituents health insurance premiums from shooting up. Meanwhile the republicans shut down the government to protect only themselves from legal investigations".

That's because the joker never was in charge of the federal government.

That being said, I think joker as president would be a nice step up... he's chaotic as hell, but he hates indiscriminately, he explicitly will not work with nazi's (If I recall a crossover had him meet red skull, who he opposed the second he realized he was a real nazi).

True but then it's still worth pointing out the sides disparity... IE democrats sure as hell have had people switch alligences. Within the media sector, half the groups associated with the young turks, went on to become right wing. (Jimmy Dore, Dave Reuben etc...) Politician wise, we've had quite a few flips from democrat to either independent or republican. Yet none of them leave with "Hey here's all the dirt I learned.

The point is I find it most telling that these conspiracy theorists, that are famous for grasping at the thinnest of straws when attacking the left, yet by attacking the right, they demonstrate that they do know what real evidence looks like. Basically to me that's a showing of the question of are they actually crazy, or are they grifters.

Ever notice how when the conspiracy nuts attack the right, they bring receipts, actual recordings, solid evidence. Then she goes for the left with like the absurd Macron conspiracy where her evidence is basically "this girl looks a bit like her brother... nevermind the fact that he's been in public many times since the claim started etc...

It's about the feeling of safety. I mean could you imagine how terrifying it must feel just walking around a school, dragging a kicking and screaming 10 year old out and think to yourself... what if one of these kids has a gun and starts shooting! We all see it on the news every day... but it's so much easier to watch when it's just little kids trying to get about their day getting shot. It hits so much harder when it's 30 year old trained gunmen that might have to face being in the line of fire.

Or walking down the street just minding your business spraying pepper spray in peoples faces, and think to yourself, what if someone in this crowd has a gun. I'm only wearing 3 layers of body armor, and I've only got 15 friends around also armed with large assault rifles, gas masks, and tear gas to protect myself, maybe one person in this crowd, might have a weapon somewhere, and might even think about using it.

Or imagine the fear they feel every time they burst down someones door, with only 10 other soldiers, and a mere inches of riot shield in front of them to protect them from these people that have a small chance of owning a firearm somewhere in the house, these brave souls need protection!

I can't imagine what it's like to live in that kind of fear.

He's already announced investigation into her hasn't he? Claiming her wealth increase when she married a rich dude is suspicious?