Tiresia

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[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

That literally is the opposite of a comedy.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Conservatives are perfectly capable of understanding positive-sum games when they expect the privileged in-group to be the benefactor. What is a labor contract, if not a positive-sum game where the corporation sucks up all the positive gain?

Game theory as a cental tenet of the human condition is a liberal concept, which conservatives will happily discard if it doesn't suit them. Conservatives may cloak their disapproval in the guise of liberal concerns so that they're in a stronger debate position in liberal-dominated social circles, but what they're really upset by is the negation of the conservative world order - a strict hierarchy with narcissistic men at the top of clearly delineated nations, struggling for dominance through pettiness and violence.

They will accept any negative sum game, they will ruin their own livelihoods and their own lives, if only it helps sad little kings of sad little hills.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It can and it has done creative mathematical proof work. Nothing spectacular, but at least on par with a mathematics grad student.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago

Why is a baseline bulk level of education the goal? People are different, people live in a society where they can ask others for help. People don't retain most of what has been crammed into their heads, and the fact that they were threatened with social exclusion if they didn't cram it in gives many of them an unhealthy attitude towards knowledge that will take them decades to unlearn. Many subjects are propagandistic or taught in a way that makes them irrelevant for the rest of one's life.

People learn how the mitochondria work but not how to recognize a stroke. How to write a formal proof about triangular equalities but not how to untangle a legal document. How to recognize a baroque painting but not how to make art you enjoy. How to compete at sports but not how to listen to what your body needs. How to memorize what an authority says but not how to pick apart lies.

So sure, let everyone follow a completely different education. Let them learn things at their own individual pace, let them focus on the things they care about and let them use their own interest as a guide. Maybe some will be functionally illiterate, but that is already the case.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

That's really not true. Paper production takes a lot of (often non-renewable) energy, ink usually consists of non-renewable chemicals, paper is often harvested from nonrenewable destruction of forests (especially in the US with Trump's plans to cut down national forests), paper production belches a lot of pollution into the air and pollutes a lot of water, etc.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How do horizontal power structures handle problems of global scale? The COVID pandemic and how people behaved and created consequences for others comes to mind.

Horizontal power structures can only be stable if people have a healthy culture of proactively fighting selfish actions. Any teenager will have experienced students firing their teachers, the village taking children away from abusive parents, women going on a sex strike to get men to take allegations of catcalling seriously, etc.

So when COVID rolls around and some people act selfishly, people already know from experience how to act with it. People are already familiar with shunning friends because they refuse to grow out of hurting others, they're already familiar with boycotting specific businesses and finding alternatives. And most importantly, people already know that all of this is waiting for them if they do choose to be selfish, so they are way more likely to choose the right thing from the start.

Ideally, horizontal power structures also come with Restorative Justice. For every crime that people have ever heard of, they'll have seen the process of someone being kept at a safe distance until they learn why they were wrong and make amends to those they wronged, and receiving help with learning.

But sure, suppose somehow that 40% of the population doesn't really care much about keeping each other healthy and is not going to budge without consequences. In that case: Making people sick is an act of violence, so people would be in their rights to use the threat of reciprocal violence to keep people that refuse to wear masks at 2m distance.

This would be a problem that needs discussion. My fifteen minute answer would be that those of the 60% that feel comfortable with it could be given consent by the community to walk around with 2m long halberds (shaped to be blunt when poking and sharp when slicing) and keep the 40% out of spaces where they would cause harm with the threat of force. They could share a digital zine on how to make these halberds from common household materials, and have the normal justice system for people that misuse those weapons.

can’t exile them without a power structure that can use force on them

If you can't find twenty people to work together to overpower and exile one person, that's a good sign that you're wrong about wanting to exile them.

Another idea on that scale might be best exemplified by climate change (or pfas etc). Do horizontal power structures mean most people could ignore how they’re impacting others negatively? If not, how would that be handled on a global scale?

In a horizontal power structure, a nation disregarding the agreed-on CO2 output norms is the same thing as a person disagreeing the agreed-on "no catcalling" norms. Talking to them, boycotting them, using violence if necessary. If the USA and EU didn't have a position of power over the rest of the world, their excess CO2 production would be answered with a boycott from the rest of the world.

The willfully negligent poisoning of others is also an act of violence. People who do not understand that reckless scientific experimentation or deployment of untested chemicals is murder can be stopped by any means up to and including violence. In a horizontal power structure, every Chemours factory would be carefully decontaminated rubble.

Though more realistically, Chemours would never have existed. There would not be a patent on PFAS. People would treat those that deploy PFAS without prior study on its health effects as violent. People would discover its toxicity and environmental harm within years of its discovery and before any large-scale roll-out, and the cleanup of contaminated sites would be manageable by volunteers.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 20 points 4 months ago

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Get in the van, no using pronouns here >:(

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I was trying to make a reference to an image macro. What I was trying to express is that I didn't understand the explanation.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not American, and no.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It would be cool if you could get tickets for showings with either yelling or no yelling.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 months ago

Besides, better working conditions for the team means more mentally healthy workers means a better and more creative product.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's huge. That means that if you're in the tenth percentile of income/emissions, you might well be emitting less than the global average.


I say this because it's true if you make the assumption of exponential decay. Their data isn't accurate enough to check that assumption, but it's the most parsimonious one, and in this case the function that fits would be:

 E = 29.5 e^(-P*0.36)

Where E is the emission fraction and P is the percentile as an integer. This results in the table below, with the numbers in bold the ones that the function is fit to.

Percentile Emissions fraction Cumulative emissions fraction
1st 20.6% 20.6%
2nd 14.4% 35.0%
3rd 10.0% 45.0%
4th 7.0% 52.0%
5th 4.9% 56.9%
6th 3.4% 60.3%
7th 2.4% 62.7%
8th 1.7% 64.4%
9th 1.2% 65.6%
10th 0.8% 66.4%

Since a percentile is 1% wide, an emission fraction of 0.8% is below the global average.

This assumption doesn't fit with the remaining 90% of the population, but it makes sense that the exponential relationship would slow down as people maintain a "poverty line" minimum footprint. If this consideration already affects the 10th percentile, it's possible the 10th percentile still emits more than the global average.

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