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Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Jesus as literal son of god was only established some 400 years later. And when later the records of the gospel got translated through multiple languages it seems very plausible to me, that under the assumption that Jesus should be the literal son of god, this sentence is supposed to be worded to confirm that. It is as easy as forgetting a half sentence like "HE said" or turn a third person into a first person form. Or to loose the context that he was announced already before Ibrahim etc.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You make good points. May i introduce you to Islam?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran

The final prophet Mohammed s.a.s. whose life and effect are well documented as well as the direct word of Allah s.w.t., preserved as original in the Arabic language of revelation in the Quran. You should not though that according to Islam Jesus was merely a human messenger as Allah neither was born nor gives birth. In the same wake Allah is one and not three. But these concepts were added by the church to the Christian theology four hundred years after the life of Jesus.

Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission in c/technology@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

I hate this so much. I save as a new file for a new version. I expect it to go into the same folder by default like the file i currently opened and worked on. Nope, onedrive it is if you aren't careful.

Windows 11 is now automatically enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission in c/technology@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

In civilized countries there is an understanding that noone is reading dozens of pages of terms of agreement, so any clause in there that is unexpected is automatically void. Expecting a software agreement to include rules not to distribute it further, break copy protection mechanisms etc. is normal so those terms are valid. But having all your data stolen is not something to be expected, hence invalid.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee -3 points 4 months ago

Can you elaborate what you mean by that?

That god couldn't change the rules he himself created according to the scriptures? That seems pretty consistent to me.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I think this is a terminological confusion. The original Gospel as in the life and teaching of Jesus, that got lost as it wasn't documented in his lifetime.

The four gospels that made the choice are as you said collections written later. And there were many more Gospels that the early church decided not to put into the bible. On top of that there is the issue how those gospels got translated multiple times and each translation inadvertently adds a layer of interpretation.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

Did i ever cite the bible as that? I also think the bible has many inconsistencies and looking at concepts like trinity or Jesus as literal son of god being introduced hundreds of years later, are things i also disagree with.

But i understand that theological differences are something different from scientific differences. And i think it is important to separate the two.

Because scientific differences can be analyzed with repeatable tests and empirical evidence. Theological differences are either a simple matter of different faith or they can only be discussed in whether the theology is consistent in itself. But that again relies on certain axioms, like math relies on certain axioms or many social sciences need to use axioms because of the complexity of empirical information.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

And the roman empire was not able to do that already? From my understanding mythologically/spiritually the Roman empire was perfectly settled with what it had before in terms of political power. Incidentally the roman empire declined and fell apart in the centuries after accepting Christianity.

And before the Roman empire there were the Egyptians. They seemed to fare much better in terms of power with their idol worship than later when they embraced Abrahamic religions, yet they did.

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[+] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (24 children)

Again you are making an assumption as the base of your logical construct.

That assumption is that the "laws of physics" are absolute in the sense that you know them. This is already problematic from a scientific point of view because our understanding of what the "laws of physics" are were and are under a constant change.

The scriptures are based on the axiom that god created everything including the laws of physics so when he chooses to, these laws can be defied. You can disagree with that axiom, but that does not mean that the logic is inconsistent.

So if you want to be honest your argument is "I don't believe the scriptures, so i don't believe in Jesus" which is perfectly valid, but very different from "I know Jesus is impossible and i can prove it."

Maybe to make an example in science to wrap it all together. Before the invention of microscopes some doctors theorized about bacteria and viruses as the source of diseases. They often got ridiculed as "some invisible animals making us sick? Yeah you drank too much wine again" . Then the telescope came about and it could be seen what used to be unseeable for humans. Nowadays if you would claim there to be no bacteria you'd be rightfully ridiculed. But we also saw in human history that knowledge got lost and things that were established knowledge became bold theories subject to ridicule again.

So being honest to science and human knowledge the valid position is "I don't believe in Jesus like described in the bible, as it is inconsistent with what i can observe today, but i have no proof in either direction."

But this position is not more or less valid than "I do believe in Jesus like described in the bible." Or "I do believe in Jesus but not like described in the bible."

Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed? in c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Important notion that Jesus never claimed to be the son of god and that entire line of thinking was established some four hundred years after.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

So we have to differentiate between what is the actual Gospel and life of Jesus and what the more creative parts of the churches invented on top of it over time.