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I hate that I'm at the stage that I can kind of see the logic in Trump's weirdness, but I dunno, I think everyone is missing what this event was.

People are forgetting that Trump is an incredibly small and incredibly petty man. I think this was 100% about punishing Kristi Noem for embarrassing Trump earlier. I think it's as simple as Trump didn't like being on stage with Noem so he decided to act like a child mostly to make her uncomfortable. Watch the event and their interactions; watch how he responses when she speaks.

And this is Trump so ignore the fact that none of Noem's own stupid bullshit had anything to do with Trump and ignore the fact that she's still a sycophant whose praise he will still accept, and ignore the fact that Trump hates dogs too. None of that matters. I really think what happened in the moment is that Trump looked at Noem, remembered that he had been mad at her before, and decided to act like a child in response.

Seems a great time to see the section of my comment about legitimizing or running as a third party in your community to effect change on the local level, then.

The point of my comment was not to be satisfied, it is that change doesn't start at the finish line. If you are fed up and think your vote is worthless, then do something about it rather than impotently protesting which accomplishes nothing but throwing away that tiny bit of power you did wield.

Here's the deal guys: nobody is coming to save you. Not Harris or Trump, but also not Stein, or Bernie, or anyone else. There is never going to be a time when you can just vote and suddenly things are all sunshine and rainbows. Change takes work, and we're discussing enormous change on a massive scale.

Or, let me offer you a counterpoint - maybe the democrats in your area aren't a lost cause. Maybe they can be better utilized, motivated, incentivized, etc. Going back to the change takes work/nobody is coming to save you bit, what have you personally done to change the situation in area beyond voting or donation?

Again, you've successfully recognized that America puts its own interests before the interests of foreign nations, same as everywhere else.

For all the shit the world likes to give America for acting like the world police or arbiters of society, rightly so btw, ya'll keep expecting America to act different too. If you think America is deceptive or evil or whatever in our attempts to be the world police, then just stop believing the lie. Don't expect America to be any more altruistic than any other nation and I think it all makes sense. Imo there is no "third world"; people are mostly the same everywhere. Every nation is selfish and every nation is dealing with some level of corruption - so why in the world would you begrudge the people of America for trying their hardest to at least do what they can to reduce the harmful impact of that corruption?

And as you smile smugly to yourself about your moral superiority for choosing philosophy over the unfortunate situation that is reality, women die due to lack of reasonable healthcare, minorities and those deemed "deviant" by fundamentalists are oppressed, and the genocide in Palestine is ramped up and overtly supported by American interests because the right doesn't do this kind of philosophical masturbation and thus handily wins the election.

Look, I want to see the end of the binary too, but only an ignorant person thinks you can win a race by being dropped off at the finish line and walking 2 steps. The end of the binary will not come from a surprise upset Presidential election out of nowhere. It just won't. Not today, not ever. If you actually give a shit about making a change and not just feeling above it all personally, you'd be out on the streets in non election years working to legitimize third party candidates in viable lower and local races where they can win and affect change outside the party system. And if you're somewhere where that has already happened, you'd be working with them to extend their reach, pushing their influence further. Or you'd be running locally as a third-party candidate yourself.

And if you are already doing that, first off thank you so much, but secondly, then you must understand what a difficult uphill battle the fight is and more importantly you must understand you can't just skip ahead to the finish line.

You mention that voting is not the only way to change things for good and you are absolutely right. Hell, I'd say it's not even one of the primary ways. But what voting is is one of the highest return on investment ways of effecting change; the amount of effect it takes to vote is beyond nominal, practically insignificant, yet the consequences have significant real world impact. Not smartly utilizing your vote is like being hungry in a cabin in the woods and taking a knife out hunt a wild boar for food when there is a literal ham sandwich in a ziploc bag in the fridge waiting for you.

Cool man, you successfully recognized that class divide exists in the US just as much as anywhere else and that the ruling class are a minority whose decisions don't represent the working class. Kudos to you for your next-level observation skills!

Here's the thing though: even if we do spark up the fires of revolution tomorrow, you know what? It's probably gonna take more than a month. In the meantime, there is still going to be an American president and there is still going to be an election the fate of which will still have real world impact immediately, including in regards to the Palestinian genocide. Which means even if we're marching up on the White House in victory 8 months (imagining an impossibly best-case fictional scenario here) for now we still have the weight of the choice for President and the inordinate amount of very real lives that decision impacts, both domestically and abroad. So again, any decent person will make the moral choice for harm reduction; whether they acknowledge more needs to be on the personal level to solve the greater issues or not.

Stop letting your childish hateboner for America steal all the blood flow from your brain.

Just a tip, nobody is ever going to accept a youtube video as a valid source. Nobody is going to spend 10+ minutes potentially watching some bullshit propaganda just to see if it even contains anything relevant to your claim. It could be the most perfect, well-sourced, undeniably-accurate youtube video in the history of videos, but literally nobody is going to watch it when brought up as a source for a claim on Lemmy or similar sites.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm being genuine. If you think there is actually vital information that people should know, you absolutely need to find a verifiable text-based source of that information. Period. Of course I can't say if that applies in your case or not because as previously stated, nobody, myself included, will ever click on a youtube video as a source for a claim, so I can't speak to whatever you're trying to spout.

Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.

Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying

-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying

-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.

These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.

edit: formating

Thank you, that helps; i'm fine with higher standards for posts

My post was deleted earlier (improperly linked the debate livestream)

Why did this get your comment deleted? This is Lemmy, not fucking reddit; why the fuck are we removing comments for shit like linking to a offsite livestream??

So no actual answer then?

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Is it sad that I still remember this calculator joke verbatim from middle school?

their “latest news” is solely articles about people being arrested for using pirate streaming services or selling loaded firesticks.

So just to be clear, the damage then is not from the actual piracy or due to any invasion from the source of the piracy, but rather 100% of the danger comes from the enforcement of piracy's prohibition.

Yes, definitely sounds like piracy is the problem here 🙄