Zangoose

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[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Depending on something isn't necessarily tied to how many alternatives there are.

For example: I use a heavily configured qtile setup on my desktop. I'm depending on that setup working every time I turn my computer on. Sure, I could switch to i3 or sway or Hyprland, but that would take a considerable amount of time and effort. In this case, I'm depending on qtile working for me, so I can get work done instead of messing with a bunch of config files. The only time this wouldn't happen is when one solution can be a completely (or almost completely) drop-in replacement for the other, e.g. how sway claims to be with i3.

This is especially true with tiling window managers, where people spend many hours configuring setups to behave how they want. Moving to a different alternative isn't exactly simple.

To your point about FOSS: chrome and android may not be FOSS, but as much as I dislike it AOSP and Chromium definitely are, even if Google controls the repos for both. Your definition is a slippery slope because by that definition software like Ubuntu, Manjaro, etc. also aren't FOSS because the repos are controlled by a single company.

To your last point: telling someone else they shouldn't use a piece of code for the same reason you don't is also perfectly valid. It's not like it's an order, they don't have to follow it. People can choose to agree or disagree with you if they want. Ultimately, the decision to install software in Linux lies with the user, and the most any online opinion can do is give a persuading or dissuading argument. Just like I could say, "don't use this software, it's built on some old deprecated library that will probably break in a month", I could also say "don't use this software, the main dev is a bad person because xyz..." and it would still be up to the user to make a decision. If you don't mind disagreeing with the author of software you use, that's fine, but not everyone is like that, and that's also fine.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

The developer doesn't owe us anything, but if they're creating an online community like Discord there are inherent responsibilities that come with that. If they don't want to moderate, then they shouldn't create a Discord/Matrix/Whatever server.

Just like how even if the developer doesn't owe us anything, that doesn't mean it's fine for them to push malware as an update to their previously fine code after they've established trust.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're still giving them a platform by installing their code though?

If you use software coming from someone you inherently disagree with, especially a desktop environment/compositor, you depend on that person for your computer's day-to-day functionality. Isn't one of the key points of the FOSS community that we disagree with large controlling companies like Google and Microsoft? That, even when they make FOSS contributions, it should be taken with a huge grain of salt?

Imo, this is the exact same thing. Even if it's good software, not wanting to rely on code from someone you don't agree with or trust (even if those concerns are unrelated to the given codebase) is completely reasonable and valid

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Not sure about a Nintendo 64 but I've definitely seen it on the switch and 3ds

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I had a steam dependency on my system break or get uninstalled somehow. It was giving me headaches for a bit because steam wasn't launching and had a pretty vague error when launched from CLI. I imagine using a flatpak version would circumvent a lot of those problems because of the sandboxing

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But most of the comments on this post really aren't elitist. Most desktop tools are made by volunteers (with the exception of SUSE, Canonical, Red Hat, etc. who mostly deal with running on servers) and those volunteers only have so much time to work on projects. If they don't have time/knowledge to build GUIs when the terminal is "good enough" for their use cases, why should they?

If someone else needs the GUI, they can develop a frontend separately (which also gives people the choice of being able to cut down on software they don't need if they only use the terminal interface)

Personally, my take on this is that Linux isn't mainstream for a reason. Windows/macOS still exist and (privacy concerns aside) function well. It would be amazing if Linux could become more beginner friendly, but let's not try to act like desktop Linux developers who are already giving up their time owe it to us to do even more.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Gentoo Linux. Into the deep end!

(Starting off with something like mint or pop!os is probably your best bet, EndeavourOS is a good choice too but it's a little bit more effort for a first distro)

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been using arch-based distros on multiple systems for the about 5 years now. I never read release notes, and have also never had any system-breaking updates. Occasionally I get problems with AUR packages but they usually solve themselves by doing a clean-build, reinstall, or just by waiting a day for a dependency to update. In the rare case that none of those work, there's usually a message on the AUR package page providing an exact fix. I usually just run "yay -Syu" once a day, recently I've been doing it once per week and still haven't had any real problems with it.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

I've been using EndeavourOS for about 1.5 years on my laptop and about a year on my desktop. I've been using it as arch but pre-configured. I believe EndeavourOS uses the same repositories as stock Arch, with an extra EndeavourOS repo added for theming and some convenience tools they use.

The UI might not be as easy as Manjaro (I don't think they pre-install a GUI for pacman/yay, but it isn't hard to install one like pamac). Other than that if you use a desktop like Gnome or KDE and install a pacman frontend you probably won't need to interact with the terminal more than you want. Honestly I think EndeavourOS is a great place to start if you want to learn more about Linux without having to spend the time configuring your system from scratch.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Seconding EndeavourOS as an alternative, I used to use Manjaro and eventually the dependency conflicts (because every non-AUR package is about 2-weeks out-of-date) drove me insane enough to switch to Endeavour. I haven't had a problem with the exception of a broken grub update last year, which AFAIK wasn't just an EndeavourOS problem and they've since taken action to prevent something like that from occurring again.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

The problem is that using the share button will often just copy the link, not the image. I haven't used iOS in multiple years but I remember that being a problem. That being said, the last time I used iOS the files app hadn't been added yet so idk

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I say this as a desktop Linux user for about 5 years at this point, but there is a big difference between typing "I understand I will uninstall half my OS with this" and typing "do as I say". One requires directly repeating what is going to happen, and one is a more verbose version of typing Y.

Yes, the user should still be allowed to break their system however they want, but the warning should definitely be more obvious so the user can actively know if something they are changing might completely break their system.

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