@op looking back, what was the specific cringe aspect of what you described in your story?
that you'd hope for this seemingly impossible outcome, of being a positive force in an established group with a clear bigoted direction?
or that you feel foolish for relapsing into believing religious topics again?
or something else?
may i ask why you believed that and why you stopped believing?
what piece of knowledge changed things for you?
surely you already knew all the reasons why that sounds pretty fantastical, even back then?
tangent away mate
seems like i'm mostly telling people in this thread not to feel bad about their prior cringe...
i really didn't follow this closely AT ALL. but i feel like back in the day libertarian ideas were much more left of center than they are now. to my inexpert perception, it feels like libertarianism (and alot of other things) have been co-opted by conservatism over the years.
which version of the hollow earth are we talking? if you mean a giant hollow shell, then yeh i'm not sure how well supported that is.
if you mean the honeycomb earth idea, where there could be myriad of huge deep caverns. then i'm kinda open to that possibility.
(not that my geoscience knowledge extends beyond highschool geography and the odd wikipedia article - so would welcome an opportunity to discuss with someone adept.)
hey man, i think you may have misinterpreted who i was replying to /what i was saying, or perhaps i didn't communicate perfectly.
i am 10,000% on your side with this, and very much appreciate your post and appreciate your support in this thread/community on this topic. it's actually giving me a tiny bit of hope that this community isn't entirely lost.
i've really grown absolutely weary of the ridiculous denialism in society and especially in so-called tech communities on this topic.
the kindest thing i think you could say about the rampant denialism is they emotionally do not want to believe it could be happening, and therefore all rationality has gone out the window.
these threads are always a circle jerk of denialists repeating popular media headlines which say "its not happening", and then if you read the article IT DOESN'T SAY THAT AT ALL. and these denialists WON'T EVEN FUCKING READ THE ARTICLES THEY POST.
apart from the emotional cope, perhaps also partial exposure to eg. basic consumer stuff like installing steam or downloading a movie, so they assume the bandwidth is too high to exfiltrate audio cos their music/game/movie audio files are big, completely ignoring the fact that the telecomms industry has put many decades and $ into producing efficient voice codecs for around 50 years now. they probably think nyquist is a brand of cough medicine
same goes for all the other erroneous 'consumer tech' false facts they parrot back and forth.
eg. the lunacy of saying the tired old statement "if they were listening ALL THE TIME, we'd know" completely ignoring threshold based noise gates have been a thing for well over half a century.
these self-proclaimed know-it-alls can't even put in 10 minutes reading BASIC topics in an encylopedia to realise this shit was solved over half a century ago. (actually you don't even need tech knowledge or an encylopedia to imagine such a fundamental thing as...i don't know...not recording when nothings happening 🤯). they can't put in even BASIC effort, yet are SOOO smug in not only telling us "its absolutely not happening", but they actually can't wait to be rude and ridicule randoms for even asking the question.
correct.
the level of unsubstantiated cope in this thread is mind boggling. from people many of whom should honestly know better.
cos the majority in this thread cannot even read the articles they cite mistakenly thinking it supports their unscientific claims that this topic is decided.
afaict no researcher has formally claimed a full coverage binary analysis.
if you know of such a study please link?
afaict the researchers are very upfront about the limits to the coverage of their studies and the importance of that uncovered ground being covered.
when the researchers themselves are saying the work isn't over. why are all the super geniuses in this thread so smugly announcing this topic is wrapped up?
i guess they know better than the actual researchers do. amazing, someone should tell them not to worry cos the geniuses in the forums have it all worked out 🤣
[if you're unable to reply with a direct excerpt from actual formally issued research (not some pop media headline) i will not bother responding]
yeah the level of technical competence on this site has plummeted since the influx of the reddit crowd.
just enough consumer tech enthusiast knowledge to delude themselves they can smugly and self righteously shit on the average non-tech person.
and now they're the majority, drowning out legitimate curiosity by loudly parroting headlines from articles they didn't even read. slowly turning lemmy into the regurgitated reddit pop media shithole they wanted to escape.
this topic is especially difficult because of the clear emotional desire for it not to be true. hence the degree of fragile cope in this thread.
thankfully not everyone here is a lost cause, and you've been given some good advice on delineating the other possible causes for what you've observed. when we do a careful analysis we must ofc consider all possibilities.
what i've not seen properly acknowledged in this thread, however, is that the possibility of alternative explanations doesn't preclude the possibility of voice-based surveillance either.
always listening
i never claimed always, i specifically advised op to refrain from claiming always.
how can you pretend to represent a sound scientific approach when you misrepresent the scientific claims made in sources you cite
piss easy
many domain experts dedicating significant resources to it's study
pick one.
when your sources repeatedly don't say what you claim they say, maybe its time to revisit your claims ;)
so what they're really saying is they won't give it away for free