Oh I'm totally with you, it's the rest of this instance that you have to contend with
meowMix2525
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Right, which is why you educate them and make the case for them to vote for you, or else the other side will spread their disinformation without any competing narrative. That's kind of the entire point of a presidential campaign. Just calling people idiots isn't going to make them not be idiots.
How do you expect people to think any differently when there is nobody combatting that narrative at the national level? That is something the Democrats could have been hammering on.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it's no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn't going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party's election strategy.
Which one was that again?
No. You're rationalizing an objectively bad campaign. "Playing it safe" would have been running a good campaign with popular policies and listening to voters' demands, running on improving the average American's material conditions and communicating what good they've done to that end thus far. Not picking up reactionary right-wing policies and trying to come out on top by completely ceding the issues to the side that invented them, hoping that cynicism alone will somehow get everyone to turn out to vote. The Republicans are not going to be beat at their own game.
I just thought the population would be more sober minded about the threat of ceding democracy to a demagogue who now has unchecked legal authority to remake society in his own image.
Most normal people don't want to believe that this is the case. They don't have to, they have had the privilege of ignoring it, for they are not the ones being persecuted. It's background noise and if anything it turns them off.
People care about healthcare, education, cost of living, career prospects, inflation, basic rights, y'know stuff that pertains to them in their everyday lives. If the Republicans are the only ones pointing that stuff out and offering any solutions, even if their reasons and solutions are bullshit and serve bigoted ends, people will be swayed to vote for them and will doubt and explain away all the negative media because it's unpleasant to think about.
Democrats just don't seem to be willing to champion popular policy, and that is why they lost.
Anyways, seems like we're only somewhat in disagreement.
We must be watching different elections and your version must have historic turnout, since americans are so enthusiastic about deporting immigrants and flattening gaza, no?
Cause in mine I just see two unpopular candidates except one of them has cultivated a delusional cult to propel them forward and the other has the american electorate convinced that being evil is non-negotiable.
No, I am very acutely aware of how we got here. Clearly their strategy did not work or they would have won tonight. It's a trick and you fell for it, hard. Of course you wouldn't want to admit that.
Anyone out there that is gung ho about the border and arming Israel was always going to vote Republican. Ceding the narrative on those only reinforced the Republican base, and not offering anything material depressed the Democrat base. The whole time they've been pandering to imaginary voters and you'll first gaslight yourself into believing those voters exist and your country is a horrible place of garbage people before you'll admit that your side could have done things differently to appeal to more voters.
I think we need to stop wondering why Republicans are doing so well and with that, lamenting that just over half of the ~~minority~~ voting population in this country will proudly vote for open fascists; stop imagining voters in the middle who are going to magically defect from the right if Democrats outflank them on the right's own invented issues; and start asking ourselves whose votes the Democrats are actually campaigning for if not ours.
If what you say is true, and I'm not suggesting it is- if our furthest left "viable" party can win on a platform that is funding genocide and barely opposing the ~~fascists~~ Republicans, then we were doomed no matter what.
Firsf of all, don't project your own arrogance onto the rest of us. Second, even ignoring Palestine, it was an objectively bad campaign. She didn't offer anything material to vote for beyond not being trump.
Yeah, the problem is that the Republicans are the only ones acknowledging the hurt people are feeling right now, and providing any answers for it, even if their questions and answers are complete bullshit. The Democrats are completely derelict of their duty to counter that bullshit with real answers, so the bullshit goes completely unchallenged and people vote for the guy with answers.
The average voter doesn't believe fascism can happen right here, right now. It's unpleasant to think about so they don't, and the media they consume doesn't provoke that sort of thought. It's ignorance, not malice. You can't expect the entire country to be as terminally online as we are.