Will it not get another moderator or just fall into disuse?
Bloody hell, that's a tremendous post. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
I can totally see why anyone would abandon Linux with those problems. But at least now we all know just to send you round if anyone is having problems 😏
I just read about them shutting down 2G here (the UK), it feels like the end of an era.
😂 I so shouldn't be giving you that but you genuinely made me laugh, so I'm going to give you that. Take my upvote!
Exactly this. I actually thought Windows was going to do something radical when they dumped the start menu, but people hate change and so they were forced to bring it back
I am by no means an Elon fanboy and so I'm really not going to go on a ledge to argue for his companies, so I asked Bard to. The initial reply was heavily pro 4680, so I asked more negatively:
It's not entirely accurate to say that 2170 batteries are simply "better" than 4680 batteries for cars. Both have their own advantages and disadvantages, and the "better" choice depends on the specific needs and priorities of the manufacturer and the vehicle. Here's a breakdown of the pros and cons:
2170 Batteries:
Pros:
- Mature technology: With longer years of research and development, 2170 batteries offer proven stability, reliability, and performance.
- Lower production cost: Established manufacturing processes and supply chains for 2170 cells make them less expensive to produce than the newer 4680 batteries.
- Wider compatibility: Smaller size makes them compatible with a wider range of existing battery pack designs and vehicle platforms.
- Faster charging: In some cases, 2170 batteries can achieve faster charging rates than 4680 cells, especially when considering limitations in current charging infrastructure.
Cons:
- Lower energy density: Compared to 4680 cells, 2170 batteries store less energy per unit volume, leading to shorter range and requiring more cells to achieve the same pack capacity.
- More complex manufacturing: Smaller size requires more cells and connections, resulting in a more complex battery pack design and assembly process.
- Limited scalability: Due to their lower energy density, it can be challenging to significantly increase range using 2170 batteries without increasing pack size or weight.
4680 Batteries:
Pros:
- Higher energy density: As mentioned, 4680 cells store more energy per unit volume, potentially leading to longer range and requiring fewer cells for the same pack capacity.
- Simpler manufacturing: Larger size and tabless design simplify battery pack assembly and potentially reduce production costs in the long run.
- Potential for faster charging: Tesla claims improved charging rates for 4680 cells in the future, although current production versions might not yet demonstrate this advantage.
- Scalability: Higher energy density allows for significant range increases without substantial increases in pack size or weight.
Cons:
- Early stage technology: Compared to 2170, 4680 batteries are still relatively new and lack the same level of data on long-term performance and reliability.
- Higher production cost: Currently, 4680 batteries are more expensive to produce due to the new manufacturing processes and limited supply chains.
- Compatibility limitations: Large size might limit their compatibility with existing vehicle platforms and require adaptations in battery pack design.
Conclusion:
The choice between 2170 and 4680 batteries depends on various factors. 2170 offer proven technology, affordability, and faster charging in some cases, but face limitations in range and scalability. 4680 batteries boast higher energy density, simpler manufacturing, and potential for future improvements, but currently lack data on long-term performance and face higher production costs and compatibility challenges.
Ultimately, the "better" option depends on the manufacturer's priorities and the specific needs of the vehicle. Different companies might make different choices based on their goals and resources.
The next couple years will be interesting. They can't just throw more processor speed at us and call it a day, so will be intriguing to see how they overcome that.
That's a good purchase
Yeah, but with a Roomba, it's not tied to a utility. You're never going to NEED it, whereas with a phone, you need it to live these days, for better or worse.
I thought the people still using 12s were mind-blowing.
To be fair, I saw it in an obscure Tesla community. But the new batteries are considered to be better than 18650s or 21700s, so the fact that Tesla has perfected their manufacturing is good for the industry as a whole.
Congrats on your first pull request!