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More or less yeah. My PS5 controller has stopped working via bluetooth (on basically all my machines) until I applied a firmware patch using a Windows only tool. Other than that, it's been my preferred controller, and the PS4 controller was before that. I don't like the internal lithium ion batteries in them though. I've had to replace 3 of them between the 2 controllers in the ~8 years I've had them. Xbox controllers just take regular batteries with is pretty handy. Though I've had the same suddenly-stopped-working-on-bluetooth-until-you-update-the-firmware issue on those as well. -_-

A bit of a zombie thread, but I'm not making anything up here. The blocking issue gets discussed a lot in gamedev circles, and there are issue threads that have been locked by folks with the power to do so because they just said "no". One of them (Maybe Sebastian Wick? I don't remember... doesn't really matter) gave verbatim that use case where a video service they use would stop playing videos when the browser was in the background, and that is why they won't report . Maybe they weren't a "core" developer, but they had the ability to say "no" and end the discussion thread.

As for it being not a problem anymore, it still occurs even on Fedora 39. The 1 second present timeout still only works for XWayland, and that's... not a great solution. Also, realistically unless SDL2, GLFW or whatever engine a gamedev is using handles it for them they just don't have the time to worry about what GTK, Qt, or XDG shell does. We are already supporting multiple rendering APIs, and combining that with multiple UI libraries just to get a window to draw a triangle into is a combinatorial explosion. Last I remember reading from the SDL folks, they were waiting for the functionality to appear in Wayland before they could implement it, and they weren't expecting anything to change soon either. Speaking personally, my current game project is single player so I can just pave over the timing issues when they come up:

Long frame detected: 6463.731931 ms. Skipping ahead!

The most frustrating part to me is much more meta. You get discussions with other game devs that have heard about this stuff and they continue to think that supporting Linux is just way too much work. Sometimes they are right, but rarely for the right reasons it seems. I believe in the glorious Wayland future... I just wish it would get here a bit faster. ;) On the other hand, if we rushed it and botched it then it would never arrive at all I suppose. (sigh)

As for how window activation works, you got me there. I just heard other people discussing that one, but it did explain why on Wayland I would just get "Firefox is ready" notifications when opening links instead of just showing me the page like X did. Though I'm quite happy that it's gone now in Fedora 39. Progress is good!

Yup, don't. People already covered why. I will add that I tried learning dvorak for quite a while and it didn't stick until I went cold turkey. It was very frustrating hunting and pecking for a couple days, but I made pretty quick progress. IIRC I was back up to 20-30 wpm after a week which was "usable" at least, and back to 60-70 wpm after a month. I had regular wrist pain before switching, and it was basically gone after. I don't think it helped my typing speed. Like I can do 90 in bursts for a bit longer, but generally I "cruise" much slower than that. ;)

People keep saying this, but X forwarding seems to work just fine with XWayland. I just tried a handfull of X programs between my machines, and neither are running X11. I don't use it everyday to know the gotchas, but there you go. Programs that use shared memory pixel buffers (everything that isn't xeyes realistically) even run better than I remember now that I have gigabit. >_< It's still a way worse experience than VNC or RDP though.

Wayland is great! Except for all list of not-a-bugs that I'd like to see fixed. Still, I'm not going back to X, so take that how you will.

What are the not-a-bugs? Things like covering up a Wayland window will block it's rendering thread indefinitely with no way to detect it happens to handle it. This can lock up some games, or cause you to time out in a networked application. Some Wayland core folks don't want applications to know if their window is visible or not because it's mild information about a user's attention that should be private. Every game dev on the other hand is asking "WTF!?" as it causes their games to break randomly.

Another mild example is that windows cannot be raised except by the user or by launching them. This is supposed to be a mild security precaution so a program can't pop up a legitimate looking dialog over another application and trick the user. Realistically it means that applications can't open and focus URL in your web or file browser. Instead they have to give you a notification telling you "Firefox is Ready" and make you do it manually.

A lot of this is slowly (painfully?) changing, and the adversarial nature is a bit frustrating. Wayland fixes so many little things that I find it well worth it though, and I say that as a game developer frustrated by many of the core design decisions.

Both the PS5 and Xbox Series X controllers are very good. I've had some incompatibilities on my computers with older bluetooth hardware though. Speaking practically, I'd recommend the Xbox one as it's slightly cheaper, takes regular replaceable batteries. Subjectively, I prefer the PS5 controller (I like the feel, and the trackpad is really handy), but I've already had to replace the lithium ion battery in mine. (Had to do the same with my older PS4 controller too)

I really like plain "boring" vanilla Gnome. It's straightforward, I like it's workflow, it does everything I need it too, and looks nice too. I'm not a fan of "power user" UIs as I feel like they have too many features I'll never use filling them up. You can always get more programs to do more things anyway. Like I use compilers and disassemblers all the time, but I'm not upset that Gnome doesn't ship with those features built in when I'm in some weird 1% of users that need them. On the other hand, I think KDE is important to the ecosystem too, and I donate $100 a year to both the Gnome and KDE projects.

Hrm. Skim ahead if you already know some of this... So say you have a running program XYZ that loads libUseful.so to do useful things. Now you run some updates and libUseful.so gets replaced with the new version. Because of how files on Unix work, the old version still exists on the disk until XYZ closes it, but any new program will load the new version. So things generally "just work" when the system is updated in place, but on the rare occasion causes weird problems. Fedora (from the GUI) chooses to run updates during reboot to prevent the rare, weird problems. If you update from the command line, it just does them in place. Kernel updates always require a reboot to apply though.

Interesting. My laptop died a little while ago, and I needed to demo a game I'm working on at a local convention. My wife had a hybrid GPU machine and let me swap in my SSD to run it. The drive had PopOS on it without the NV drivers. It did seem to run wayland fine on the internal display, but the external display was picky. (I wanted to demo on a bigger display) The only way to get the game to run smoothly was to disable the internal display using X11, and run the game using GL instead of Vulkan. >_<

So yeah, kinda mostly worked if I wanted it to be a laptop. I can see how it gets to be a pain if your needs are specific though.

I've been using it for a few years now, and it fixes a lot of little issues I have with X11, and at this point brings very few of its own. ALTHOUGH, I don't have any Nvidia GPUs, and people seem to think it works for crap on them. I keep hearing "Ah, this will finally fix it!", but I don't know what the actual status is. You have the hardware you have, so unless you are going to buy something different to try Wayland... eh... I guess it never hurts to try. It's pretty trivial to toggle on and off.

~2017-2019 I used Ubuntu. It was fine, and I had no complaints. All the games I bothered to try including VR worked great. It was my work machine and a Windows update imploded everything. I tried Pop OS on a whim when reinstalling, and I had no complaints about that either. I barely noticed it was different to be honest. When upgrading the SSD last year I installed Fedora on a whim. It works fine and I have no complaints. I type dnf instead of apt now... that's the biggest difference. I haven't tried VR on it though. (I do VR for work and rarely want to use it during non-work hours nowadays)

I'm pretty happy with "Console" myself. It works exactly like I expect it to, and it's new look is pretty clean. I thought "Terminal" was fine too. I use dozens of terminals a day when working, but I suppose I'm not enough of a power user to care to configure them. :)