technom

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[–] technom@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

The reason I use VirtualBox is simply, that it is the recommendation in the developers guidelines of the project

That's a perfectly reasonable requirement. The problem here is that solution space is like the JavaScript ecosystem. There are more solutions than you can count and no two developers ever agree on everything. Everyone eventually settles down on one solution or the other based on their personal preferences. That's why I thought it was important to give you an overview rather than a definite solution.

I just want to add that VirtualBox is a backend to 'Vagrant'. Developers usually depend on Vagrant, rather than fiddle with VirtualBox directly. Vagrant takes care of some low-level VM configuration on its own and consistently recreates the VM every time with little fuss. You will need a configuration file for the VM (Vagrantfile), either readily available or newly written. I recommend Vagrant rather than direct vbox due to its convenience. However, I'm not pushing it further since I can't judge your options better than you.

I am pretty sure one can isolate some things using docker-compose, but it can be frustrating if you want to get into the project codebase and then have to do so much infrastructure stuff.

Certainly! That's what tools like vagrant are meant for. The only problem is that it replaces tediousness with choice fatigue!

I don't have a GUI in my container which I need of course to run my IDE and the software itself.

This is where the convenience of tools like VM, devpod, etc shines. However, you can also implement this solution manually with VMs or Docker. It's simple - bind mount the source directory on host into the VM/container. Then you can edit it using devtools and IDE from both the host and the VM. Tools like vagrant and devpod manages this for you.

However, the situation gets a bit tricky when you want to use GUI applications inside the VM/container. That involves mounting the X11/Wayland socket from the host into the VM/Container, doing the correct UID/GID mapping and setting the correct file permissions. Developers usually don't do this manually since it's tedious. However, some tools manage that too. I don't remember which one, off hand.

Thanks again for your friendly way of explaining things, much appreciated.

Glad I can help! Take your time - there are a lot of tools to explore, unless you're on a mission. Good luck!

[–] technom@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Here's my 2¢. Debian is a reasonable OS to develop on, since it provides a super stable and reasonably secure base platform. I've used it quite extensively for the same purpose without any issues whatsoever.

However, it won't satisfy the needs of the modern style of development. For that, you need a reproducible development environment so that every developer gets the same results. (That means avoiding the 'it works for me' type of bugs). That means you need the same version of runtimes (python), same version of libraries/dependencies and same developer tools on every development system, irrespective of the distro it's running on.

The problem with Debian is that it often ships older versions of software to keep it stable. It will likely not match the version of python and tools you need. For that matter, no distributions including the frequently updated Arch Linux are likely to meet those requirements. (There are exceptions - NixOS and Guix.) So the widely adopted solution is to create a dev environment independent of your core system, from your regular non-root account. That means separately installing a python runtime that's different from your distro repo, etc. They don't touch your core system and keep it clean and pristine.

The way we achieve this is by using 4 tools:

  1. Runtime version manager: Manages the version of runtimes.
  • Eg: python: pyenv, node: nvm, rust toolchains: rustup
  1. Environment manager: Creates and maintains isolated environments where the correct runtimes, project dependencies and tools are available.
  • Eg: python: venv, node: node project, rust: rust project
  1. Dependency manager: Resolves and installs the correct version of all project dependencies into the environment.
  • Eg: python: pip, node: npm, pnpm, rust: cargo add
  1. Tool manager: Installs additional development tools for the project, like formatter, linter, etc.
  • Eg: python: pip, pipx, node: npx, rust: cargo install

Often, many of these are combined and you may get less than 4 different tools. The current situation is extremely complicated and there are many different tool combinations you can use. So let's address your specific requirements.

If your project uses only Python

In this case, the choice is pretty straightforward. Use uv.

The package management situation in the Python ecosystem was an absolute mess until UV appeared on the scene. UV combines all the 4 functions I mentioned above. It replaces venv, pyenv, pip and pipx in a single fast binary. You'll be surprised by its speed if you're used to the speed of pip. It's easy to use and very well integrated. It also integrates additional functionalities like:

  • Formatter (replaces black)
  • Project setup (helps with poetry, flit, hatch, etc)
  • Project publishing (replaces twine)

If you will use more than Python

If you will use tools or languages other than Python in a single project or in other future projects, you might want to use a 'language-agnostic runtime and tool manager'. They can manage runtimes and tools of multiple languages. Dependencies have to be managed using language package managers (like UV, pip, cargo, npm, etc).

The most well known tool manager is asdf. Others include aqua, vfox, etc. But the upcoming star is mise. I use mise for multiple projects including for Python projects. Mise uses UV behind the scenes for Python. So, mise projects play well with UV projects and with others who use UV.

The only disadvantage with multitool managers like asdf and mise is that they tend to be more complex compared to single language tools like UV. They obviously handle more and provide more features. However, investing time in tools like mise pays in the long run when you're handling multiple languages.

Servers like databases

The tools I mentioned above don't handle daemons like postgresql, redis, etc. This is why your colleagues recommend VMs. I will talk about VMs in a while. But I want to show you some simpler solutions here.

Another commenter has already mentioned the use of docker-compose files to set up such servers. It's the easiest solution possible.

Another more refined solution specifically for development containers is testcontainers. It's essentially the same as the docker compose solution, but with more dials and switches to help with automated tests like unit tests during CI. You'll have to learn a bit more than docker compose, to use it. However, those test servers are also readily available online and require little configuration.

Do you need virtualbox?

The methods explained above don't ruin your base Debian install. So a dedicated VM is not really required. However, I'm leaving this information here for completeness.

Use of VMs was widespread in the past. But they didn't run virtualbox, VMware or Qemu directly. Instead, a CLI frontend tool was used to set up those VMs for development. The most common tool was Hashicorp's Vagrant. Another tool available today is Lima. These tools mount your project directory into the VM, set up its network, install required tools, start required services (like DBs), attach a shell for you to work on, etc. These VMs are complete development environments and you don't need to do anything on the host system other than starting them up.

Since the advent of containers, the same idea has been implemented using containers instead of VMs. These are obviously less resource intensive than VMs. Most of them follow the devcontainers standard. So a devcontainer configuration works on multiple platforms, including GitHub's famous codespaces. Local tools for it include devpod, ona, devbox and devenv.

Conclusion

There are a lot more solutions. But these are the ones you're most likely to settle on. So I leave it at that. Please let me know if you have any questions about this reply. Hope you find your favorite setup soon.

[–] technom@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

... and adding docker-compose for running dev DBs/services ...

If you're into that sort of setup, you might appreciate testcontainers.

[–] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Oh man! I hate CF! The scummy gatekeepers.

[–] technom@programming.dev 18 points 2 years ago (7 children)

He didn't just wash off his hands. When asked in an interview about a moderator who edited a trans user's profile to intentionally misgendering them (yup, even that's not off limits for their mods), he justified it saying that 'It's not like using the N-word or something'. (For context, the n-word itself was innocuous. It gained notoriety due to its misuse by bigots like this).

There are several such examples - repeatedly even after being called out. I don't belong to any diversity groups. But I don't care if they make the world's best operating system. I will stay well away from it if only to avoid any interaction with such a group. They're a bit too happy about harassing people (not just transgenders either).

[–] technom@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it legal? There may be alternatives with plausible deniability.

[–] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Arch guide expanded in scope IMO. The choices are way more than in the past. However, it's good quality and easy to read. I implore you to skim it, even if you don't try it out.

[–] technom@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nvidia is a mess on Linux in general, though it's gradually improving. They decided to neglect everything that the other GPU manufacturers and the community were doing and roll out their own buggy concepts.

This really isn't the fault of Mint. PopOS works with it just because its developers System76 also has a line of nvidia based hardware. However, as I said before, nvidia is slowly starting to implement the standards and situation on other distros like Mint will gradually improve.

Meanwhile, I'm curious. What hardware did you try Mint on?

[–] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder what happened to Tails - the one that started it all.

[–] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I do recommend Gentoo (haven't tried Funtoo) for the academically inclined. It's a beast to maintain, but you'll soon find yourself at ease with configuring and compiling your own kernel, configuring your packages and even making some yourself.

It isn't as hard as people make it out to be - if you gradually push your boundaries. In particular, it's good if you already use Arch.

[–] technom@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Why are sensitive or critical hospital systems loaded with bossware? That itself is a breach of medical safety regulations and medical privacy. If such bossware fails for whatever reason - even sabotage, it's on the leach class. Prosecute them for murder.

[–] technom@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Crowdstrike exists for Linux too. In fact, it apparently crashed RHEL and Debian a few months back. That didn't get so much attention.

Falcon seems to be a cross between an antivirus and an intrusion detection system (IDS). There are many antiviruses on Linux, but only one FOSS AV is popular - ClamAV. As for IDS, snort is an example.

But in the true sense, Falcon is much more than just an AV and IDS. It's a way to detect breaches and report it back to CrowdStrike's threat detection and analysis teams. I don't think there exists a proper alternative even in the commercial sector.

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