theneverfox

My digital friends are way more willing to accommodate my bullshit

Well hey listen, I appreciate it. I would've spent who knows how long waffling between distos that I don't feel drawn to, and even if I came across an atomic flavor, I probably would've just assumed it was marketing fluff

Good ideas need advocates, and this is a good idea... It's a promise of an OS I want, not just running from one I don't

I'm probably going to look at bazzite first. If I have containers that can run LLMs on my GPU, that checks off everything on my wish list except gaming. I'll read up on it though, you've given me the context I need to care about learning more

Ok, when I googled it earlier I saw "containers and roll back to previous version" and I made a note to do more reading

Your write up was good, much clearer than what's on fedora and Wikipedia. And the fact you pitched immutable OS's in general first caught my attention... The concept is a no brainer. Decouple the os and the rest of the software, and don't bother digging into one of a kind conflicts when updating things - just make it rebuildable and create it fresh. You never know when the wrong bit will flip

Nix's "learn this one thing, configure it once, and you're done" stuck in my head. And after a different distros, a couple lines installed Nvidia, Nvidia's docker package and docker

But then I had to configure WiFi and spend half an hour learning why I couldn't mount an external drive and how to manage it... I still have no regrets, I've got a USB that should start converting my friends and family's old PCs into a self organizing AI/self hosting cluster... Hopefully it works next month lol

But not what I want in a daily driver. I want something that'll quickly do what I tell it and gracefully handle the fact I have 6 versions of Java and no idea why I need a version from 2018 specifically. And that I'm going to add a repo to install something and instantly forget what I did if it seems like the best path forward at the time

You've sold that pretty well - my takeaway was that atomic fedora is very modular and low side effect and also an interchangable foundation I can swap out and roll back easily... At this point, if it can run containers and the drivers I need, it sounds like a great option.

I used to use VMs so every 6-12 months I could start clean with the latest and run setup scripts for my dependencies... It was just easier than debugging some conflict. This sounds even cleaner - I swap out the base at will, and the stuff I've built on it should stay intact. Plus it sounds much more testable

So my main concern is will it run on an HP omen - it has zero Linux support and a bunch of concerning driver needs, but it does have a second m2 slot... What's the worst that can happen? Except apparently some models forget they have fans in Linux and I just know the iGPU-GPU switch will cause some problem with sleeping... But Windows is only going to get worse

Now that you've convinced me this might be the best course (I only see less problems than other distros would have), and I've talked myself into giving it a go, is there any recommended reading or key concepts I should look into? Any particular flavor(s) you'd point me to first?

Fedora Atomic a chance, it's an extremely nice family of distros (e.g. Bluefin/ Aurora, Bazzite, etc.)!

Can you elaborate on this? I landed on nix for my PC turned server and haven't regretted it, but I've been hesitant to go all in on my main laptop (I'm wary of my laptop iGPU and GPU switching becoming a config issue, and I'm dreading having to configure my wsl dev environments again...)

Windows is getting blatantly terrible enough I know I'm just putting it off, maybe a cool new technology might help make it sound more fun

They may choose a job nearby to avoid having to deal with shitty transports every day.

It's more just the option - a short commute is amazing. It makes an enormous difference in work and life satisfaction. They have the mixed zoning so you could find a cheap apartment or a three story house with a big yard without paying for it with 2 hours of your life every day

Their public transportation is great too... Even with a car, it's just so much faster and more convenient most of the time. You just hop on and off with very little waiting. It's cheap too, it was like 25 Euros a month for unlimited metro and bus rides, and even in the center of the city on a weekend it's less crowded than DC is in the middle of a weekday

But I think the French culture is about enjoying life as much as possible.

This is just a tangent, but I don't think that's quite right... They actually say "c'est la vie" like they're trying to convince themselves they can accept things

They have plenty of problems, there were two or three murders within my walking distance in a couple months... Not like it was an unsafe area, people just flipped out on family members and co-workers. One just (mostly) decapitated someone with a katana in an office over a fine or something. They're constantly fighting over politics and culture, they share public spaces but you'll see tons of people sitting alone carefully not interacting with each other - they're very closed off in a lot of ways. Work-life balance is really what they've got going for them. That certainly leaves a lot more time for family and hobbies (which is huge), but I wouldn't describe them as happy exactly... Some definitely do make the most of it, but a lot of people don't

It's more that they draw a very hard line between "acceptable" and "not acceptable", but it's a constant fight. They take their time eating good food and enjoy their outdoor time, but a lot of them are isolated and/or bitter. They're going through the same stuff we are, but they've had more to lose

But that's just my take away, and it's not like I saw much of the county

You guys really are the forgotten generation... My dad claimed to be a millennial the other day, because he forgot there was something in between us and boomers

Millennials were told "put in your time, and eventually it'll be your turn", but we learned early on that "doing everything right" wasn't going to get us anywhere.

I feel like a lot of gen X are hanging onto that like a lifeline (not nearly all of course, there's plenty who don't drink the Kool aid, and took me aside to lay out the truth early). Like despite how only the lucky ones came out ahead, it seems like there's this fear of any change, like it'd tear away what little they've managed to hang on to

Maybe it's because it wasn't entirely a lie for the first half of gen x's career, maybe it's because most of the changes did tear more and more out of reach... Or maybe it's just bias since most of my older family did come out ahead and that led me to find friends with similar life experiences

Granted, I've found older millennials tend to be just as dogmatic if they got ahead, generations are just such broad ranges

What's your take?

That sounds like a mix of public transportation sucking and people needing to travel too far to me

Driving sucks... But compared to not having a reliable way to get around? It's total freedom

But better yet is being able to have a nice walk where you need to go, and frequent/plentiful options to go further. You just have to mix everything up and cut down on the parking lots. Low cost housing with full homes tucked here and there, smaller grocery and hardware stores every few blocks, gyms and parks a few blocks away - and all centered around a main street with offices and lower cost housing a few blocks away, so the main street can have a bus running by every 5 minutes

My time working in Paris for a bit really blew my mind - only one guy at my office wasn't walking distance to work. I passed several grocery stores and bakeries on my 20 minute walk back if I wanted to grab something, there was a big park a couple blocks up if I wanted a scenic walk back.

And if I was feeling lazy, you could just start walking until you saw a bus coming up behind you - there was a bus stop like every quarter mile just going up and down that main street

Almost as good as all that is the fact that if you did have to drive, there was so much less traffic. You could park on side streets, but those spots were limited and needed specific permits. They had parking garages at the edge of the suburb area near the highway entrance and near the metro station, so while you could drive up to wherever to load/unload, it discouraged it and kept the cars mostly on the bigger roads in between areas.

Granted, it's only amazing when the pieces all fit together like that - a lot of the designed communities in the US are nowhere close to as good because they don't commit far with. I later moved to a designed community in the States which had most of the same aspects, but I never walked to the grocery store. It was across the street from the town center and a 10 minute walk, but it involved crossing 2 much higher speed/busy roads and walking across a huge parking lot. It was just a little island in a world still built for cars

But when it works, it's amazing

Definitely not - the boomers are finally on the way out. The boomers have held on way past their time, and we can't afford to let Gen X have a turn... They're the ones who need to take a back seat - they're nearing retirement age if they haven't hit that point already, millennials are in our 30s and 40s

We need to support and join together with the younger generations. We might not be as young as we used to be, but we're prime age to start taking office and organizing/enabling

That last one seems like one of those "trackless trains" China is developing. They really live in the future

The answer is "fuck em". If your business model requires restricting the rights of people, your business shouldn't exist

They can still function as a staffing agency...

It also just got crushed in a collapsing hangar? 4 years after the test flight? That doesn't sound like a failure, it sounds like it got mothballed and forgotten

looks at England George Orwell might've gotten a bit too detailed on the world building...