vestmoria

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[–] vestmoria@linux.community 1 points 13 hours ago

FYI, the medical community is one of the worst from the popularity contest perspective.

could you write examples of is worse here than in other industries? Are some units worse than others? Some regions worse than others?

promoting team cohesion and performance is one of our primary responsibilities, as is stepping up and leading when necessary.

are you a nurse or doctor working in a hospital?

I don't agree with your last part: it's not my fault that a unit is controlled by lazy gossips and the manager does nothing to make a more welcoming workplace for the quiet, working ones because she either is too coward to confront the lazy bullies or enjoys the attention or believes she is not going to find better employees. I do not work with people like that anymore, nor do I socialize with these kind of people, neither it's my job to promote performance and my paycheck sure reflects that. That's a manager's job.

I take this job as seriously as my coworkers. If they go smoking for an hour and let me alone to take care of the whole unit your model fails. If they spend their first 90 minutes consciously not working but gossiping and I'm the only one checking vitals and charting your model fails. If the popular and lazy ones control the narrative and paint me as the uncooperative nurse while I work and they do nothing and the manager believes them over me your model also fails. To lead up I need to see that my coworkers know their shit and that they actually do that, something I hope to find at my new unit.

This post might sound a bit abrasive, not my intention.

 

I changed workplaces within my hospital to a similar unit. I also tried applying to other units to see what's there but got rejected.

I quit my old unit because I didn't feel supported or respected by management there, but doctors and half of the nurses are people I can work with and are actually people that helped me become a better nurse. I'm going to miss working with most of them. I'm ready to work with them again.

Managers speak with each other, even if they publicly hate each other and 6 months ago I wasn't as good as I am today, something reflected in their internal memos. I'm on the introvert side and I'm quite sure I'm on the spectrum. I write this because a workplace is also a popularity contest and my old manager was an extrovert who always thought I didn't talk to her to spite her (I didn't talk to her because I wanted to work and she was a perpetual, boring nuisance). People forgive you if you're likable and for this manager I was not. Her favorites always got away doing less and were treated way less harshly than me.

On my last week three coworkers told me separately I'm a good nurse, which surprised me, one even suggested to go to ICU. Nobody told me that at my unit. Ever.

Shifts without management were a bliss: there was nobody there to bully or micromanage me. During these shifts I was more engaged, inquiring about medicines, diagnoses and explaining to patients what their vitals meant, what their medicines did or how they could help the patient to recover more rapidly. Most of the patients and families were not karens and were grateful. I also learned to make a quick exit with the karens.

I'm going into my new unit with this attitude: keep learning, keep asking, ignoring the nurses who try to mob or to ridicule me for asking questions, gray rocking the drama queens and gossips, always telling the charge if a nurse who's supposed to teach me lazies around and wastes my time, to establish boundaries, to stop being a doormat, to ask the doctors to keep learning.

I'm not doing this only for the money, but because I actually like knowing what medicines do, explaining patients what their EKGs mean and how the system works, even if it's broken.

I think, however, some managers will never consider me due to the internal memo this first manager wrote about me and while I have a job, the only way to access better paying positions or ICU is if a manager vouches for you and writes a better memo or even a recommendation.

That’s why I ask if managers see and value if an employee is engaged, even if he has a bad record, is an introvert, is a bit on the spectrum and doesn't want any stupid drama.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

if OP isn’t masking then neurotypicals will likely see OP as rude, cold, or robotic.

assuming that your post is in good faith, do you understand how tiring and ludicrous it is to pretend something you are not?

Should we advice gays to pretend not being gay?

It's not my fault some of my coworkers stopped growing up immediately after leaving high school. I just want to work and go home.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 1 points 4 days ago

And folks who are neurotypical are going to find what you said a hard pill to swallow.

why? are people really this thin skinned?

fwiw these people I described are not the doctors, but like 40% of the nurses. Doctors are not the reason I quit, but these nurses are. I'm actually gonna miss working with some nurses here, the good ones, the drama free ones.

Often in life you have to pretend to “fit in”, it’s just the price of living in a society.

does that means listening to dumb stories I don't care about? My brain starts yelling me to leave.

It would be bearable if they didn't act like children (another coworker, a neurotypical one if you like, told me that).

 

I've got a new job as a nurse but I'm still comparing positions, maybe something better comes along.

What I want to say to any of my potential new managers:

one of the reasons I left my old unit is how colleagues give report there: some give report about patients that are no longer there. I just don't get it. Patient is gone, it's not our problem anymore. Who cares where he is now? Give report about the patients I have to provide care to!

Some interrupt report to talk about what they did on the weekend or if the coworker only works 2 times per month, they give report about the 2 weeks they spent not working. It baffles me that they feel offended if I remind them they have to give report and can talk about their private lives when they're done. A report that should last 10 minutes lasts 40. It's tiring and I don't care about their lives.

Others, after giving report, remain in the room to loudly gossip about god knows what in the room... while another nurse tries doing her job and give report. If I remind them I cannot hear report, they feel offended. You do understand it's very difficult to get the information I need to do a good job under this circumstances.

Others interrupt their report to rant in minute detail how they transferred a very heavy patient or how they had to fixate an aggressive one. It's never a short rant, it's always a five minute one where some nurses feel they have to compete and tell an even more egregious story about other obnoxious patient. It's ridiculous. I just don't understand why they cannot move on, get to the point, give report and tell me what meds I have to give him if he has another crisis. I find this very tiring as well.

I really don't want to work with people like that. It's tiring and nursing doesn't have to be. I'd like you to pair me with the nurses who like to do their job, get to the point when they give report and go home with no drama involved. If after this conversation you feel that I'm not going to be a good match, then simply say it so, so neither of us wastes time and I keep looking for a unit with a better work culture.

To me this makes perfect sense: I tell a potential employer what I need to work better while offering him the chance to be upfront and tell me if I'm a good or a bad match.

Any drawbacks?

 

countries I have in mind are most of the EU, east Asian and south American multiparty democracies, our neighbors Canada and Mexico.

As I see it, these countries share with the US more than with other countries, like African, central Asian or south Asian countries, where liberal democracy and its practice only exists on paper. Up to now, we shared common values like the rule of law, free markets, freedom of the press, political liberalism, atlanticism for our security, our trust in science, institutions and facts... The US was an ally, an indispensable one you might add, even a benign one in some circles.

Now this ally has turned to a bully in an incredibly short period of time: in less than a week trump has started bullying Denmark so they sell Greenland to the US, threatened about taking the Panama channel back, also threatened most of America's trade partners with tariffs if they don't do what he wants, pausing aid to Ukraine, in effect condemning that country to be absorbed by Russia within the next 2 years, he even wants an American flag on Mars... what for?

I don't see why he thinks our trade partners wont also raise their tariffs to our stuff if we do so. What I also don't understand is why he blames the victim (Ukraine) and cozies up to putin. Not even Reagan would have done something like that.

Autocrats in the world are sure having a good time watching our disunity work to their favor.

I wonder what's going to replace the post WW2 and post cold war order, now that liberal democracy is being so successfully attacked from the maga right and people trust more what they read on their ecochamber than what centrist, established media report (I'm not saying that the Washington Post, NPR or the LA Times are neutral, but are more neutral that fox 'news' or 'news'max).

 

I'm a nurse and I don't do night shifts. The few times I did it I earned a 150% differential but it's not worth the money: I'd go back home and have to use noise cancelling headphones to sleep, 'cause people are loud, I'd wake up rested at 04:00 pm, but completely destroying my circadian rhythm. I'd need a whole day or 2 to recover my regular rhythm because otherwise I'd be a zombie.

I hear my coworkers who do night shift complaining about this same issue, but they still pick up night shifts, which I don't understand.

To me it was impossible to have something akin to a life while working night shift, but I've met some people that only do night shifts: the housewife that only works 4 nights shifts per month, the single mother or young wife or husband who work 14 night shifts per month and have the next 2 weeks for him/herself...

I don't understand why they do it. It's extremely taxing and not worth it imho.

But if you do, how do you have a life? And how do you keep yourself healthy?

 

Our protagonist is a sex crazed young man who is convinced that the only way he can have sex is if he has a car, so he goes to a dealership to try several models, only to be treated like an idiot by the dealer, who only sells him overpriced crap. At least that's what I get from the movie.

The dealer hits the same child in the head two times in the movie, both times when the dealer finds out the client is so gullible he'll pay anything for a status symbol so he can finally have sex, both times with the child's parents present.

Is this a trope in Japan? Not the buy a status symbol to have x, but hitting a child in the head.

 

I've been working at my hospital for 2 years already.

I first applied to several wards in the same, huge hospital, most managers didn't bother to answer me, one agreed an interview with me, only to send me the second in charge, who told me about several units were I could work at, but he offered me no position.

There was one manager however who made it easy for me to shadow several nurses in several units. She was my first manager.

Long story short, managers started moving elsewhere, new manager comes in, I don't trust this new manager, applied to be transferred, yesterday my transfer was approved to another ward with a manager who seems to be nice, but everyone is nice 'till they stop being such.

And I wonder if I should, sometime in the future, apply to those wards managed by the same people that 2 years ago rejected and outright ignored me, because it's always good to have a plan b on the back burner and I'm running out of managers within my hospital I haven't interviewed with.

On one side: no, applying again is a waste of time as they made pretty clear what they think of you and people don't change. You are effectively blacklisted.

On the other side... I don't know.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 2 points 1 month ago

thank you for this great advice

 

on the one hand this is what I said I wanted. The truth is more nuanced: I'm not quitting the job neither most of my coworkers: I'm quitting my manager and some childish coworkers.

on the other hand, why do I have the one to quit to keep my sanity? It's not fair.

It sucks that the ones who give attention to the manager are the ones in good graces with her and that the quiet one who works when they go smoking and gossiping gets ignored, unrecognized and treated worse because he doesn't want to play office politics.

A rational person would understand the difference between the things I can change and what I cannot change, but a part of me is still screaming for vengeance.

What I said on other posts about being scared still applies.

 

her mother died 2 weeks ago.

I told her I'm sorry but after thinking about what to say I couldn't come with anything better than repeating sorry again. She then told me and another coworker how she died.

I want to show her that I care but I don't want her mother's death to become the elephant in the room each time we talk.

This is not romantic in any way.

 

I don't know if I should change the title to 'does unbiased media exist?'

I just found out a Washington Post cartoonist quit after a Bezos satire she draw was rejected.

I was until today a reader of said newspaper, but after this kind of censorship I don't know if I should keep reading it.

Note that I'm not looking for media sources that fabricate outrage either for the left or for the right or news sources whose business model is to editorialize titles to work people up. I'm just looking for unbiased media sources.

Maybe this was a stupid question: everyone is biased, or am I wrong?

 

people do not quit jobs, they quit managers and I personally would like to quit some coworkers.

Basically the manager says in public that I'm good and passionate about the job but privately she writes the opposite. She never talked to me about what I need to improve, if anything. And then has the gall to tell me to trust her if I want to open up to her. Two faced, not to trust.

I only found out when another manager read to me what she wrote about me.

I was never good at playing office politics. FWIW I don't like the job, I do it because I need money and I'm good at it.

 

I'm not implying every nurse or doctor does this, but couldn't come up with a better title.

A cognizant patient is above all a free person. A free person is free to accept and to deny care, whatever may come. It's his life, let him live his life as he sees fit. Explain, educate, inform and then ask: do you understand that if we don't do this you may die / lose a limb / lose your liver / fall down and have a stroke and end up bed bound if we're lucky enough to save your life?

I don't understand the logic playing mental gymnastics to make a patient stay at a unit because the nurse or doctor in charge are convinced it's in the patient's best interest to do so, even when after education he wants to leave. I'm the odd one at my unit, as most of my coworkers do vehemently disagree with me, as they expect me to provide care AND to care. They feel they lost if a patient leaves against medical advice.

To me it looks like they don't understand individual freedom and forget that a patient is still a free person. I wouldn't want to be my coworkers' patient.

You cannot stop grown ups from making stupid choices. The cognizant patient gets to decide his answer. Not a nurse or doctor convinced they get to decide for the patient.

Another problem I see: say you force a cognizant patient to stay at your unit because you are convinced you are doing the right thing. Why do you think he's going to be a pleasant patient to work with? People lash out when they feel trapped and they insult and punch personnel. What's the point?

Punched coworkers will call in sick and start looking for jobs elsewhere, some insulted ones too.

Wouldn't it be better to inform, document, let him leave, move on?

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

but don't you hate your life or makes it very miserable and tiring?

I mean, expecting everyone to fuck me over would make me angrier I believe, like going to work and constantly ruminate about how every coworker and client is going to ruin my day.

If you are a cynic, how do you don't ruminate?

or is cynicism more 'no expectations no disappointments'?

 

I've tried the serenity prayer without god and I'm reading the subtle art of not giving a f*ck, but it's not enough. The book is good though.

There are still moments when people really piss me off and while I'd like that not to affect me, my first instinct is still to feel anger and to hate the jackass making my life or work difficult. Sometimes I'd like to punch him in the face.

It could be the plumber who doesn't come on the agreed day, the technician who 'repaired' a tv set, only to have the same issue the next day, a coworker who keeps yelling when I'm trying to work and even after asking him not to be loud, blatantly ignores me or coworkers who importunate me with stupid questions about my weekend.

A strategy I'm going to use now at the workplace is to ignore every non related job question from these people and only answer when they ask something job related. As for the plumber, the hate usually subsides after 2 days, but I'd like to be more resilient, not to jump to anger and hate so easily.

It's like I'm emotionally very easy to trigger.

I don't know if you agree with this sentence: A person who yells does it because he doesn't have power to modify a situation to his advantage, because he is powerless.

This is how I feel sometimes.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You need a different manager. Distancing yourself from the one you have doesn’t sound realistic: Their job is to not be distant.

I'm lost here: what is their job?

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of my co-workers don’t like me. My boss doesn’t even like me.

if your boss makes clear he doesn't like you, why are you still working there and why don't you have plans to quit?

I mean I don't understand why this is not a reason good enough to start looking for employment elsewhere. Don't you find it tiring? don't your coworkers and boss wear you down?

If my boss makes clear he doesn't like me it's only a matter of time before he starts treating me differently, giving me the worse assignments, refusing to acknowledge me...

This would affect me to the point of starting to hate that person.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community -4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m guessing you cursed out a coworker and not for the first time.

Not what happened.

there's a difference between cursing the poor work done by a coworker and cursing a person that was there and wasn't responsible for the dressing.

I don't understand why you choose not to see the difference.

[–] vestmoria@linux.community 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

yes, a very beautiful post.

Lost_My_Mind: how do you do it? Because apparently I'm very thin skinned and overly political statements my coworkers blurt out trigger me or their boring marriage troubles bore me and I find myself trying to control me not to yell 'I don't give a f*ck about you, leave me alone', which of course earns me an invitation with management...

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