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Thank you that's a helpful explanation. I found (find) the name of the group misleading if that's the case, though I understand group names are supposed to be catchy.

Yeah that does sound frustrating. I mean, traffic generally is. I also hate the idea of toll roads.

My issues, I guess at the end of the day, is that I:

1. Currently need my car. Short of living off the land or mooching off of others, I need it to survive.

2. I don't see a clear path forward, which doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for one but if Texas is any example it seems like the whole fuck cars movement is just people yelling into the void.

   2.a. That path forward cannot exclude rural peoples or presume that everyone can or should move to a city. Nor should the opposite be the default. 2.b. People need to be able to have productive conversations without name calling (thank you for that by the way I'm learning a lot from you). The fuck cars side of this seems to paint a picture in which the solution is cut and dry and so obvious and anyone who doesn't see it or disagrees is an idiot or intentionally dense. But it's a superfuckingcomplex issue with many nuances and variables ranging from local zoning to county, state, and federal law.

3. I don't yet know what the path forward is but anytime I try to say what it isn't or speak against obvious propaganda people try to paint me as a liar, shill, idiot, redneck etc. (obv I'm not talking about this one thread lol). And its like, I'm not here because I want something different than the fuck cars crowd. I just disagree with how people seem to think a car-less world (which I dont personally want) or vastly altered infrastructure (I do want and this certainly includes less cars, jiet not none) would/cloud actually work.

Anyway if ive been difficult I apologize. I'm autistic and already have someone in another comment calling me an imbicile because I apparently took someone's argument too literally lol.

I haven't read all the links you sent yet but I'm sure ill be bored tomorrow and I'll check them out.

No his argument was that cars pollute when they're not running and implying that buses don't, you smug imbecile.

Come to think of it, the town in from had a train, as did most of the neighboring towns.

That is until they ripped all of them up to make bike paths. Florida Rails to Trails I think it was called. And they did a half-assed job in a lot of places, just ripping up the rails and then not really providing or maintaining the "trail" part.

I'm not a big city suburbanite nor can I afford a $40,000 car.

I'm not sure what small towns are collapsing under the weight of roads, though I'm sure its a problem for some.

Our biggest financial issue is an unnecessarily bloated police force. The state maintains the major roads here and many smaller roads are private, dirt, maintained by an HOA, etc. Though yes, some areas have some potholes, though not nearly as bad as those in large cities I visit like Memphis or Louisville.

Also small cities, within the town center are perfectly walkable and small enough that we don't really need a bus. But to get to that walkable area, you need a car.

If you and your buddies want to invest and run a train though every small town in the US, I'm all for it.

However,

"Mass transit is how you create large population centers. "

Some of use don't want large population centers or we'd live in the city and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That's a MUCH better argument and the one you should stick with.

"Here's a solution"

"That solution doesn't work for A LOT of people"

"Well you don't think it'll work for valid reasons you must not want anything to work ever"

Wait, me or OP?

Valid and I had not considered that.

However, this post is in "fuck cars" not "fuck poor zoning laws." The solutions and complaints I see in this thread have NOTHING to do with remapping the way cities work, which would be necessary to even be able to consider saying "fuck cars" for the vast majority of suburban / rural residents.

The comments here seem entirely fixated on "solving" a symptom of a much larger problem by creating several more problems for other people because it would be more convenient for them.

And while your solution is nice for those in the city I ask again, what if someone lives 20 or 30 miles (not 20 mins walking) away because they can buy a 3 bedroom house in a neighboring city or unincorporated rural area for the price of renting a small studio apartment in the city, and have a nicer view.

None of this is true for busses. They're made of and run on magic

Hope that bus is going to 69 very separate locations some of which are at least 20 miles from the closest urban area and in opposite directions to accommodate those who cannot afford or don't want to live in a city.

Do it. I made the switch a few months ago and its so much better