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At least they knew it was going to sound stupid.

This is an echo back to the 70s, when gas prices were high and there were strict controls over Japanese economy cars. Why didn't American manufacturers make smaller cars? Well, "no one wanted them" was the line. Miraculously almost as soon as those same Japanese cars started to be allowed on our streets, suddenly Detroit figured out how to make them and dragged them kicking and screaming into the next eras.

Good companies innovate to keep their customers. Bad companies legislate to keep their customers.

Which one do you think is happening more today?

I can tell you, but I'd be lying.

Ah, the twisted logic here is that since it doesn't "cure" COVID it's "FAKE". (since REAL vaccines cure and/or perfectly prevent the targeted disease, without any side effects)

I'm tired of just seeing random Trump ideas without any kind of deeper thought or plan behind it. Alcatraz hasn't housed a prisoner for a long time. Needless to say, it'd cost a lot of money to get it back up in action. Is this money worth spending? How much is it? What's wrong with our other supermax prisons in the USA?

It's embarrassing this guy can just throw out these off the cuff ideas and STILL finds fans in the USA.

I had a pair of grandparents old enough to be involved in factory work and they had hated it. They both educated themselves to a degree where they could get a better job and get out of the factories. It seems odd enough that we'd aspire to go back to these times.

Not sure if this will convince you or not

I don't think I worded my original post properly because I feel convinced already. I was just looking for a way to measure up the effects of this idea. If we are a country dependent on importing goods and we make them more expensive, it stands to reason that we either stop getting those goods (doesn't seem easy...) OR we just deal with the price, and that doesn't seem easy either.

I just thought this is odd... like if I wanted to propose a tax on bicycles, we could talk how many bicycles there are in the USA, if this would make sense, etc. but that's an actual discussion. Most of the people in this thread are just asserting it's a bad idea and either don't know the "why" themselves, or just don't want to say.

Yeah, I mean I don't feel any better than Trump if someone asks me about tariffs and I just say "THEY ARE BAD, OBVIOUSLY". I don't feel like that's any better than Trump's approach where he just says "THEY ARE GOOD".

I want to know the supposed theory behind them, if any. If there isn't one, that's a big red flag. The few people I know in real life that thinks they are a good idea all seem to share the belief factories will pop up "soon" and no one will care about China anymore. I don't get it, building factories doesn't seem that easy. The last time the US mobilized that quickly was WW2, and I don't think we are that serious this time around.

I think it's going to be bad but I want to put a measuring stick against it instead of just saying "THEY ARE DUMB".

I've learned a lot of people can tell me they are bad, but only a few can tell me why.

That AI is going to be copying a lot of "I put on my robe and wizard hat"

How many different sentences of the form:

Trump demands ________ deny the reality of what his _______ are doing to _________

can you make?

For the factory workers in the industrial heartland it will be good.

So we should expect to see more manufacturing jobs? How long will they take to show up? What kind of products will they build?