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Get out of here with this tired stuff.
All of this (gestures broadly) is the direct and inevitable result of lesser-evilism. A few people not sitting out the last election may have delayed this timeline (though I’m doubtful there were even enough protest-non-voters to make any difference), but this has been building for a long time and Harris hadn’t talked about any plans to reverse that trend.
Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you?
Our suffering is a necessary evil?
What if I don’t want to be a pawn in your fucking game? What if I just wanted to live a happy life?
Fuck me for wanting a normal life rather than being fodder for your battles?
Your assumption that we’d defeat this so called “inevitable threat” throws people like me into the fire, and you could be wrong.
What if you’re wrong?
What if NOT letting this happen was our last chance, and we will never be free the way we used to ever again now… because of people like you?
I think you misunderstood me. Voting for the “lesser evil” is a valid strategy if it comes up every once in a while and you can use it to avert disaster, but when every single election comes down to voting for the “lesser evil”, then you just end up on a steady march toward an evil outcome.
We’ve been on this path for decades, with today’s Democrats being far to the right of where Republicans were fifty years ago. Even if Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump (which she almost certainly wouldn’t be), she would help build the framework for the next Trump-like monster that followed her.
You don’t fix an evil system by voting for evil over and over again, evil if it’s the lesser evil. We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
And we need to stop electing fascists if we ever want a chance to "see" (read: vote for) such a candidate. It's actually not about this abstract, undefined "greater evil vs lesser evil" bullshit, it's about what the two viable candidates were actually likely to do once in power. Everyone knew Trump was a fascist who would try to literally end democracy, he's done it before and it was essentially his entire platform. Yet here we are. Dems, as experience has taught us, were likely to piddle around for four to eight years and do some performative but ineffectual lip service to their base, while keeping what passes as democracy in place. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. You can't fix a system from within if the system has been burned to ground.
I totally agree. I think keeping the extreme evil of Trump out of power was worth voting for a controlled opposition establishment Democrat (and of course I voted for Harris and didn’t sit the election out).
A campaign based on lesser evil drives down voter turnout if it’s used every single election, which it has been for so long. The one reprieve we’ve had was Obama (the first time, when he still seemed progressive) running on a campaign of hope and change. Trump is the worst we’ve seen so far, but all of the Republican candidates back to at least Reagan were pretty awful people and the Democratic stance was mostly just pointing out how awful they are.
If we consistently don’t get opposition candidates with a positive message and plan for fixing things, we end up with low voter turnout and monsters like Trump in office.
So the answer is yes.
Minorities are collateral damage to your moral crusade.
Maybe look in the mirror every so often before repeatedly spouting off about evil.
And don't forget the thousands of brown people that have been murdered in their own countries as a result. Their sacrifice is apparently acceptable if it helps save glorious American politics.
You mean like the minorities that Kamala locked up in California . . . Or the ones being killed in Gaza?
I'm fine with the mirror with voting for De La Cruz. I don't think you are.
Because as we can clearly see Trump did not in anyway act to increase the number incarcerated minorities or to speed up the genocide in Palestine
So your answer is to vote for lots of crimes against minorities, as long as someone else does more?
I like how by this statement you admit that there was a choice that was less crimes against minorities.
Neat how that option doesn't matter to you
I like how you apparently don't understand there's more than one election over time, and so you're demanding that you be recognized as moral (and those that disagree with your shit tactics as immoral) because you're now set a permanent level of crimes against minorities. Which will continue to be increased each time you make this same bad choice.
But yes dear, since it's obvious like most liberals you're only interested in your own self-image of morality, and not actual political power to stop the GOP, you're the true holy one. I'm sure all the people at Liz Warren's barbershop adore you.
Yeah an image made in illustrator isn't proof of that. Someone hasn't been paying attention to US politics at all.
Also, no you don't have to be a liberal to realize that when presented 2 options you should pick one. We literally have concentration camps now because people are running with this BS you've presented.
But yeah rattle on about Liz Warren, a strategy that clearly failed, one that I never supported, and that has harmed the establishment dems significantly. Their clear failures have lead to the DSA's recent successes.
Do I need to draw you a picture to make that clearer?
You're arguing against your own point. The DSA is succeeding because the center failed in 2024. It's that same failure of people to vote for Kamala that is responsible for that. The same people you're whining about.
It's not like we didn't try your way - 2020 saw Biden elected with both houses. And he did . .. nothing. The Democratic leadership used the opportunity to go after the left is all. And they were promptly defeated in 2024.
So again, if you want to stop the GOP, your lesser evil strategy has been shown to be a failure multiple times. The only reason to follow it is if you're trying to fill your own self-esteem at the cost of actual effective action.
If you don't know the difference between Liz Warren and Liz Cheney, you should learn a bit more about US politics.
My mistake, I dislike both Liz Warren and Liz Cheney. Both represent clear failures of the democrats. Feel free to rattle on about either while you ignore the real issues
Yeah sure Biden did absolutely nothing, eat up the Republican slop and ignore our brand new concentration camps and brownshirts running around
Hey, obviously I despise ICE.
Which is why I don't vote for candidates that support it. You are angry that I'm not.
Your anger is valid. It is also misplaced.
Whatever gets you through the night, buddy.
I think we can maybe build a better society by electing better representatives to office, but if you want to read that hope for a solution as some personal attack against “minorities” (which I’m apparently not anymore), then you’re just one less person trying to actually fix all this.
Maybe raging against strangers on the internet and turning people away from you will make things better. 🤷
I’m not your “buddy”. I’m a transgender woman.
Abstaining from voting is not “electing better representatives”, especially not when one guy is Donald John Trump.
I do have hope for a solution. I just don’t see how any good will come from treating the solution like a zero sum game where comprimiste is tantamount to defeat. Nothing good has ever come from that mentality.
Letting the pedophile dictator with a lifetime of ties to corrupt powerful men the world over, become leader of the most wealthy nation state the world has ever seen, with less guardrails and more radicalized sycophants and loyalists, with the hopes it will spark a revolution, that succeeds, and ends with a coalition of left leaning leadership, reforming our country à la Nordic democratic socialism…
… is inevitable?
…
Oh and also, I’m calm. Stop projecting your frustration onto me.
I think the issue is youre more upset at the people with little to no power not voting rather than our leaders over decades creating this outcome. People with power have created the country we live in today regardless if they were blue or red.
We had no choice in Kamala being the candidate, and she was an utter disaster. You should be more mad about a lack of a primary than non voters. Its the candidates responsibility to get people to vote for them and the outcome solely falls on their shoulders. No one but Kamala and the Democrat leaders are to blame for low voter turn out, if they wanted more votes they should have had more popular policies. Its obvious genocide isn't popular yet they made the choice to support it, thats on them, not a nobody you couldn't even name staying home because they didn't like either option.
Your choosing to blame and fight with people similar to you with little to no power rather than blaming and fighting those with power who created the situation we are in. Your anger is misplaced and that's an issue.
Accelerationists truly have no concept of what they clamor for.
You're literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don't have the moral high ground here. You're perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others.
Here. Take a look. I dare you. https://archivegenocide.com/
Uhhhh where did they do that?
False equivalence. Palestine was fucked either way, and Harris winning was probably the better outcome of the two. No outcome was going to stop the genocide, so it's not particularly relevant to the choice. Except that the outcome we got was almost certainly the worse one.
Trans people and immigrants did have outcomes that were radically different based on who won. The choice changed the outcome, so it was relevant
So you're an accelerationist and can be totally disregarded.
Pulling your head out of the sand doesn’t make you an accelerationist. Nobody with any sense wanted Trump, but thinking that a Harris win was going to set us on the right track is delusional.
Who said anything about righting the ship? You do that by primarying democrat incumbents with progressives and socialists in every primary, and then in the general you prevent republicans from winning by picking the democrat because third parties are not viable in virtually every district, hence the overwhelming majority of federally elected representatives being from one of the only two viable parties. But you have to stop the fucking republicans from getting elected first. Pay fucking attention.
You sound like you need to chill out a bit. We were talking about protest-non-voters in the last general election.
Oh ok you can just go ahead and fuck yourself.
Yeah, the people that got Trump elected. Pay fuckin attention. And fuck off with your both sides rhetoric, it's accelerationist and elects republicans. Stop working for pedophiles.
Dude, your establishment Democrats are part of the pedophile cabal! The lesser evil is also evil and we need to stop supporting them and pretending we’re not part of the problem.
Congratulations, you put the greater evil in power. Enjoy your false sense of moral superiority while they're killing people like me. You're no better than a MAGAt.
"don't blame me, I voted for the better genocide supporting pedophiles!"
This is like talking to a wall. I hope you’re at least getting something out of arguing with these strawmen. Take care and I hope you get better.
Nope. Never gonna not call that out. You vote or you blindly accept the consequences; but we don't need to accept or respect non-participation when their actions affect us.
Sounds like you want to blame, I am looking to inform protest-non-voters what they voted for.