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Zig language's policy on AI (lemmy.wtf)

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[+] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A nice low bar, set fairly and in good faith.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure whether you're being sarcastic here, but what about:

"Name a publicly traded company that generated significant profit as a result of buying llm services from a provider."

I don't think there is one. I hear about companies creating revenue (at a loss) and I hear tiny/private companies claiming it's been a huge boon, but I haven't seen one actually blow up.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure whether you’re being sarcastic here

Jesus.

“Name a publicly traded company that generated significant profit as a result of buying llm services from a provider.”

This at least is just a problem of relevance. Utility is not measured in money - especially for open-source non-profits like Zig - and people selling shovels and promises are obviously not the best place to look for success stories in mineral rights.

But I've seen several Youtube channels hand-wave complicated software for devices they've just built from scratch.

And several copyleft projects are caught in philosophical arguments against permissive rewrites with completely different code, structure, and/or programming language.

And a few ultra-niche projects simply typed "rewrite this in Rust" for an order-of-magnitude speed boost.

The kneejerk insistence that LLMs are never useful is wishful thinking. It's less defensible than equally glib promises of institutional value, because even some of the people loudly distancing themselves do so because it worked. 'I didn't recognize my own codebase!' Yeah, because you didn't write it. The chatbot did. It's not Inception-ing the experience of making it yourself; it's inventing exactly the Github dead-end you'd like to find.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Downvoters have absolutely fucking nothing to say, but sure are mad about something they can't defend.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

it seems you've taken up the mantle for the side of:

That’s a complete disregard of a useful tool that brings measurable benefits.

Downvoters have absolutely fucking nothing to say, but sure are mad about something they can’t defend.

I didn't downvote but I'll bite anyway.

Let's try it this way, describe what you think a "measurable benefit" would entail (yes i know you're not the OP of that quote).

In detail enough that you could defend it as a position because unless it's ironclad you will probably need to defend it.

Then name a measurable benefit that fits your previously described definition.

In case it's important, i'm not necessarily anti LLM (check my history if you care enough)

i am however decidedly anti weak arguments.