Lefty Memes
An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of "ML" (read: Dengist) influence. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.
Serious posts, news, discussion and agitprop/stuff that's better fit for a poster than a meme go in c/Socialism.
If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.
Please don't forget to help keep this community clean by reporting rule violations, updooting good contributions and downdooting those of low quality!
Rules
0. Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme. Please post agitprop here)
0.5 [Provisional Rule] Try to use alt text or image descriptions to allow for greater accessibility
(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)
We encourage alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.
We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.
When alt text is absent, a reminder will be issued. If you don't add the missing alt text within 48 hours, the post will be removed. No hard feelings.
0.5.1 Style tip about abbreviations and short forms
When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart
- ofc => OFC
- af = AF
- ok => OK
- lol => LOL
- bc => BC
- bs => BS
- iirc => IIRC
- cia => CIA
- nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
- usa => USA
- prc => PRC
- etc.
Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them
1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here
Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.
2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such
That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.
3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries.
That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" (read: Dengists) (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).
4. No Bigotry.
The only dangerous minority is the rich.
5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.
6. Don't irrationally idolize/glorify previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.
Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.
- Absolutely no posts or comments meant to relativize(/apologize for), advocate, promote or defend:
- Racism
- Sexism
- Queerphobia
- Ableism
- Classism
- Sexual assault
- Genocide/ethnic cleansing or (mass) deportations
- Fascism
- (National) chauvinism
- Orientalism
- Colonialism or Imperialism (and their neo- counterparts)
- Zionism
- Religious fundamentalism of any kind
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Convenient. Any time people look like they are acting against their self interest, you can just say that people don't "perceive" it that way and still look like you are right.
A dictator cannot be part of the proletariat by definition and the USSR failed. Communism failed.
China is run by a corrupt elite and their chosen pet oligarchs. It has an abhorrent civil rights record. It is no way a success story of a proletariat state.
Cuba's Soviet-style command economy lowers productivity and prevents the country from fully participating in the global economy. Monetary reforms have caused massive inflation and currency devaluation. People have been abandoning the island in droves for decades because the quality of life is poor. It in no way represents a successful Communist state.
Socialism when implemented alongside capitalist policies can work. Communism has not and cannot work.
Your assertion that people on average knowingly work against their own self-interest requires mountains of evidence. All of human history points to the opposite.
As for the dictatorship of the proletariat, it does not mean the proletariat led by a dictator, but the entire class of the proletariat above the rest of the classes. It means a democratic society run by and for workers, with no political power allowed to landlords, fascists, capitalists, etc. as a class. This is basic Marxism.
As for the USSR, it indeed did fail, and it did so largely because reforms under Gorbachev undermined the socialist system, and because Yeltsin and his clique destroyed it from within. It did not need to dissolve, it was killed from above.
As for China, you're nakedly wrong.
In China, the backbone of the economy is in the public sector, in huge State Owned Enterprises. The large firms and key industries in China are overwhelmingly publicly owned, while private ownership is relegated to small industry and highly competitive industries. As for working hours, the average is between 40 and 48 hours, usually hovering around 44-46. 996 is illegal, was largely in big tech firms, and is overall rare.
The PRC is a socialist state, not a state capitalist state like the Republic of Korea, US Empire, or Singapore. China being socialist has nothing to do with the name of the party in control, and everything to do with the mode of production and distribution in China. Rather than a neoliberal paradise, it’s closer to a nightmare for neoliberals. This editorial from The Guardian explains it quite well, actually:
How then, does China’s economy work? Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy. This means that public ownership governs the large firms and key industries, and is what is rising in China, as private ownership is kept to small and medium non-essential industries. No system is static, meaning identifying the nature of a system depends on identifying what is rising and what is dying away. Cpitalists are held on a tight leash, and are prevented from gaining political power as a class. The reason private ownership is allowed at all is because China has very uneven development due to their rapid industrialization, and private ownership does help with filling in gaps left by the primary aspects of the economy like SOEs.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
China does have billionaires, as you might then protest. China is in the developing stages of socialism. Between capitalism, which is characterized by private ownership being the principal aspect of the economy and the capitalists in control of the state, and communism, characterized by full collectivization of production and distribution devoid of classes and the state, run along the lines of a common plan, is socialism, where public ownership is principle and the working classes in control. China in particular is working its way out of the initial stages of socialism:
The reason China has billionaires is because China has private property, and the reason it has private property is because of 2 major factors: the world economy is still dominated by the US empire, and because you cannot simply abolish private property at the stroke of a pen. China tried that already. The Gang of Four tried to dogmatically force a publicly owned and planned economy when the infrastructure best suited to that hadn’t been laid out by markets, and as a consequence growth was positive but highly unstable.
Why does it matter that the US Empire controls the world economy? Because as capitalism monopolizes, it is compelled to expand outward in order to fight falling rates of profit by raising absolute profits. The merging of bank and industrial capital into finance capital leads to export of capital, ie outsourcing. This process allows super-exploitation for super-profits, and is known as imperialism.
In the People’s Republic of China, under Mao and later the Gang of Four, growth was overall positive but was unstable. The centrally planned economy had brought great benefits in many areas, but because the productive forces themselves were underdeveloped, economic growth wasn’t steady. There began to be discussion and division in the party, until Deng Xiapoing’s faction pushing for Reform and Opening Up won out, and growth was stabilized.
Deng’s plan was to introduce market reforms, localized around Special Economic Zones, while maintaining full control over the principle aspects of the economy. Limited private capital would be introduced, especially by luring in foreign investors, such as the US, pivoting from more isolationist positions into one fully immersed in the global marketplace. As the small and medium firms grow into large firms, the state exerts more control and subsumes them more into the public sector. This was a gamble, but unlike what happened to the USSR, this was done in a controlled manner that ended up not undermining the socialist system overall.
To dogmatically collectivize the entire economy would actually be a move undesirable by Marxist standards. Certain economies like the DPRK and USSR have had to do so in order to develop military deterrence, China managed to negotiate itself into the global economy and take advantage of the utility of markets in socializing the small industries, making them ripe for central planning.
As for Cuba, their economy isn't what's preventing them from trading with the world, it's a brutal embargo by the US Empire. Cuba has and does trade with friendly countries, it is being actively impeded by the US. Despite this, life expectancy often exceeds even the US, because their socialist system makes low resources stretch farther.
I cannot understate this: you have no idea what you are talking about, be it about Marxism or socialism in practice.
Alcoholism and drug addiction? Failure to address global warming? Nuclear proliferation?
And the proletariat was below the political class.
So much for the democratic system you claimed existed. It's almost like that is an inherently failing of Marxism.
No country has ever gone beyond the developing stages of socialism because Marx was wrong.
People largely partake as coping mechanisms or to fit in with groups etc. which would be in their immediate perceived interest of coping, fitting in etc.
Addressing global warming would impact the bottom lines of the capitalist class and thus be against their interest as a class of constant accumulation and expansion to among other things fight the falling rate of profit.
Having nuclear weapons is directly in the self interest of states that wish to remain sovereign and not be destroyed by the western US lead empire as has been proved repeatedly.
Not a thing. Class is predicated on relation to the means of production mainly the ability/lack there of to privately own productive property and appropriate surplus value as capital.
I don't even know what you're trying to say here. If the USSRs collapse was due to an inherent issue with Marxism why hasn't the PRC collapsed? Or is it possible the USSR faced challenges unique to their position and situation which lead to stagnation and eventually being pillaged as opposed to some inherent part of Marxism (which you seem incapable of pointing to beyond vague posting).
If you just say this without elaborating on the how and in what way it's meaningless. Also Marxism wasn't jesus or some prophet Marxism doesn't end with Marx it continues with Lenin Stalin Mao Xi Cheng Xie Losurdo and more who continue to this day to study and develop.
In the nicest way possible you seem to very clearly have very little idea of what you're talking about and be way out of your depth leading you to do lots of vague posting.
They still know it is against their best interests.
See previous answer.
It is against the best interest of humanity as a whole and we all know it.
It's a thing in reality. It's not a thing in Marxism which is another fault of the philosophy. The political class controls the capital that ostensibly belongs to the people. On reality they often wield the power of that capital for their own ends. This is true regardless of the economic system.
Because the PRC Isn't Marxist. It is a totalitarian dictatorship run for the benefit of the ruling class where the people are little more than serfs toiling for their local lords. The whole "communism" thing is an opiate similar to religion which encourages people to make personal sacrifices and not rise up.
One of the central points of Marxism is that socialism is a transitional phase that leads to communism. This has never happened.
What is it with you whiteys calling me and my family serfs and your complete lack of understanding of my country. I wish I could understand how you could be so racist and dimwitted while speaking so confidently it's truly impressive.
Wow the transition has yet to complete so thus isn't real. Genuinely impressively dense.
You really are just coping hard and further proving you have no understanding of Marxism how people view their interests as a class or really anything outside your white liberal bubble.
Because my country allows free speech and I can speak the truth, unlike you.
Just showing how completely uninformed and racist you are. Politely go fuck yourself pig.
It is an objective fact that Chinese citizens have no right to free speech. Nothing I have said is racist. The fact that you have to resort to personal attacks just shows you know I am right.
Yeah I guess my visits to the local offices with complaints and criticisms just never happened, I guess the 12345 hotline just doesn't exist please tell me more white saviour educate me on my country.
Nothing racist at all about you spreading orientalist nonsense calling Chinese people serfs and generally being a white saviour pig /s
I'm not "resorting to personal attacks" I just see no need in being polite to chauvinist white saviour pigs who are comfortable with talking down on entire races and ethnicities with unmatched arrogance to accompany their less than 0 understanding.
How about you compare Xi to Winnie the Pooh or tell me about what happened in Tienanmen square in 1989.
You mean the meme that was originally a pretty innocent picture of Obama and Xi as cartoon characters that western racists then weaponised I think I'll pass thanks (not really helping your claim that you're not racist not that you could anyway given it's clearly true that you're a sinophobe). I'm sure this will be some gotcha in your mind though. Do you think it was cool and good and funny when trump compared the Obama's to monkeys? You're doing the same thing. You should reflect on yourself pig.
In the square itself a peaceful protest peacefully dispersed. Around the city at the same time violent clashes between rioters and the military (acting as riot police). (But I'm sure you'll simply scream about how I'm brainwashed and a serf etc)
Honestly you clearly just want to call Chinese people like myself slurs and wish the worst upon us so why not just do it you massive coward. Afraid if you reveal your true feelings beyond the normalised level of white liberal sinophobia people might stop overlooking it?
How many people did the Chinese people murder in Tienanmen square? What happened after this picture was taken?
What a disgusting and terrible framing. Unfortunately typical of chauvinist white saviour racists such as yourself.
He talked with the tank operator before passersby ushered him off
Every reply further exposing yourself as an ignorant racist no better than the republicans you (claim to) abhor.
You are absolutely right. I mistyped. I meant to say "How many people did the Chinese government murder in Tienanmen square?" Care to answer? How many were killed?
Where he was arrested and executed or imprisoned for 20+ years depending on who you talk to.
Yeah if you talk to other white racist westerners who are only interested in spreading orientalist nonsense like yourself and confirming their racist bias. Continuing to show yourself as the closet republican racist you are.
Continuing with the disgusting deceptive framing so you can confirm your own racist bias. Respectfully eat shit pig.
Between 2 and 6 hundred including soldiers killed by rioters. (But I'm sure you'll just call me brainwashed for not saying something like the ridiculous unverified British number of 10,000 plus)