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Everything Google does is evil. How are people still using anything they make—or control the repo for (chromium, android)
They make fantastic services that are far more functional than their oss competitors and it's far far less effort than hosting and dealing with that bullshit.
Cannot disagree more. I’ve found Google services to be terrible in comparison to their competitors. Don’t get me started on privacy. Ironically, you’re saying they’re better in the same article that says they’re removing adblockers. Which is clearly not better.
Most folks disagree. You are in the minority.
I doubt most folks disagree, but on that note: everything the majority agrees on is factual and the correct method—right?
That seems slightly hyperbolic
How so?
It didn't start that way, it wasn't until they had dominance in multiple areas that they started fucking their customers, but the difference here is that it's stupid easy to change to Firefox, Safari, or gasp Edge.
Edge is chromium. And safari is still apple only. So you're last sentence is wrong, but it is indeed super easy to switch to Firefox, or another non-chromium based browser.
Chromium isn't as bad as Chrome, Google actively tries to get you to use Chrome by blocking some features in Chromium (like account syncing).
That's like equating evil and evil, both are still Google, both are gonna have mv2 removed (eventually) making web filtering a nightmare. I have all kinds of add-ons that prohibit any scripts from running on a website without my explicit authorization. Mv3 will break that level of security. Chromium=chrome both owned and maintained by Google.
You are aware that Chromium is an open source project and isn't owned by anyone, right? Google created the engine/framework and are the biggest contributors to it, but that's akin to saying "Red Hat (or Linus himself) owns Linux".
Google has full control over Chrome which is closed source and has their specific tweaks, they don't have full control over Chromium. I could fork the Chromium repo and there is nothing that Google can do to add in any of their tracking because I have a full copy of the source code and can modify it as I see fit.
Chromium is not Chrome. Just like Edge isn't Chrome.
Forking chromium and stripping out all the google tracking is near impossible(for smaller dev teams). I am aware there are valiant attempts at de-googleing chromium but every one of them that i tried was either still phoning home, or ran like shit, or were so behind on security updates that it was dangerous to use them.
Money corrupts everything
School/university online classes and messaging/collaboration
Business enterprise messaging/collaboration locked to Google services
Business enterprise sites locked to Chromium based browsers
Government sites locked to Chromium based browsers
Nothing is locked forever.
Remember when government websites only worked on IE6, well into the late 2000s? I even remember Hillary Clinton proposing that government employees only be allowed to use Internet Explorer when she was a senator.
Anyone advocating for IE in the early 2000s was because the web sucked back then and IE could run ActiveX. Granted, thinking back, giving a web app direct hardware access did lead to a lot of security issues. However, and theoretically, if the software is clean (like internal government software should be), it was pretty powerful.
Additionally, I challenge your Clinton remark, and ask you provide a source.
I misremembered, it was when she was secretary of state:
https://www.theregister.com/2009/07/13/firefox_and_us_state_department/
I don't know what your quote is from, is it chatgpt?
She never said it. She said,
Clearly pushing the issue to the other guy, because it’s not her fucking job.
Fuck Hillary, but get your facts right or go back to Truth Social where you came from.
Not forever - maybe - but until then, government employees trying to log onto government services like iFTDTL or NSIPS or half a dozen other sites, as well as students logging into their university email or corporate employees logging into enterprise networks are stuck on Google apps or Google-adjacent like Edge.