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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can’t you make patterns in infrared reflective paint?

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Not really. We don't have materials that absorb or reflect infrared light. It's one of the reasons it's hard to beat inferred-guided (heat seeking) missiles, the only real solution is to drop something hotter than your plane, aka a flare.

So... get ready for a new era of commercial automotive flares I guess?

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You are mixing different types of IR and on top are wrong for both cases too. We have materials for both NIR and thermal IR that absorb or reflect them.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've been wrong before, this wouldn't be the first time. But what part of it was wrong? Genuinely, can you clear it up?

As far as absorbing IR light, I'm not even sure how that would work, wouldn't it just be emitted again as heat?

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So if we focus on thermal IR: shiny metal surfaces hardly emit or absorb it. A black surface emits and absorbs as much as possible. We quantify this via the emissivity (and also reflectivity, shiny metal is a mirror). Emissivity of 1 = theoretical maximum of a prefect absorber/emitter (both are directly linked), everyday stuff like skin or wood is about 0.95, shiny metal surfaces roughly 0.1, a rusty or painted surface again about 0.95.

You only emit and absorb the same in thermal equilibrium. If the surface is hotter, it emits more. If it is colder, it absorbs more.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So with that last part, I get that in theory, but practically, you can only really absorb IR temporarily, right? Because it all gets released again as heat eventually. Like, say you have a mostly inert object, that isn't creating any meaningful amount of heat. If you hit that object with 10 joules of thermal IR, over time, wouldn't nearly all of that energy be either reflected or emitted off it as IR radiation?

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That is how heat works in general, but that has nothing directly to do with reflecting or absorbing IR.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess it depends on the context, initially I was making comparisons to heat seeking missiles. In that context, one might use the radar absorbent materials to defeat radar guided missiles, but that trick just doesn't work with heat, as you can't "permanently" absorb heat the way you can other kinds of energy. If your vehicle is also generating heat, hiding that is quite difficult.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't need to absorb it, just emit less. Lower the emissivity and the at the same temperature it will appear colder to a thermal camera etc.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Agreed, that's a great trick, except sometimes emitting less isn't really an option if you need the afterburner to keep running. And in fact, being able to radiate that heat away quickly can be important to avoid parts melting. You can dump heat into the exhaust, but that isn't always helpful. Leaving the only real alternative to just make something else emit more (a flare).

[–] anonymouse2@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

What if I just hold a sparkler out my window?

[–] ag10n@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Here comes the sun, do do do do

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No need, you can just use an IR spotlight to blind the camera. Unlike the military you're not trying to hide the vehicle.

But either way you're actively trying to avoid being picked up by speed cameras so you get a fine.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't about speed cameras, it's about "safety" surveillance cameras. No laws have to be broken. Evading Flock isn't illegal