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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Purgatory is a step that leads to heaven, not a final destination. It's a step that a lot of Catholics will have to take too, according to the catholic church so it's not something that separates believers and non-believers.

Baptism and Pentecostalism are categories of evangelicalism. So yeah, they believe that. But they're a minority within Christianity.

Jesus' sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations.

Yes.

And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.

No. Only in evangelicalism.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I was grown myself as a Catholic. And no, what you're saying is false.

It might be sort of the "official stance", even though contradicted from one document to another (in the catechism it says that not believing is a cardinal sin, for example, which means that just by consistently refusing to believe, you go to hell, for example), but even if so, most of practitioners just believe that atheist or agnostig = dangerous, criminal, ill and will and SHOULD go to hell, and even worse if you critisize religion.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It will depend on your parish. Catholicism is not a monolith. But the Catechism is clear :

[2125] Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion. The imputability of this offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances. "Believers can have more than a little to do with the rise of atheism. To the extent that they are careless about their instruction in the faith, or present its teaching falsely, or even fail in their religious, moral, or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than to reveal the true nature of God and of religion."

Atheism is taught to be very serious, but the circumstances have to be taken into account. People reject the Church because the believers fail in their mission, either because they wrongly teach or because of their actions which contradict the teaching. In this case, the imputability of the sin of atheism is diminished, so it's not anymore a cardinal sin. God only can make the difference.

I'm no Catholic myself, but their teaching is clear. That members of the Church believe differently, especially in America where Evangelicalism seems to have win the religious cultural war is not surprising, but the teaching stays.

Edit : I may be wrong, as always, but show me one Catholic official text that says that atheists go directly to hell, without the same kind of limitation as the Catechism. I think I'll wait a long time.

But that doesn't negate what you experienced as a child. It's just that these people were not in accordance to the actual objective Catholic teaching, just like JD Vance. Religion in America is sick, and evangelicalism is the cause.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No. Only in evangelicalism.

That is not true. Lots of Christian denominations believe that as well. Most of them in fact. You are just Americentric in your belief that Evangelicalism is automatically meant, when that is not really a large denomination outside of the US.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

I'm not American. I know no denomination outside evangelicalism which teach that. And in France, even evangelicals does not teach that for a large part. Catholicism does not. Mainline Protestantism does not. I don't know well Eastern Orthodoxy, but as far as I know, they do not either.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, consider me brainwashed by evangelicals then. Non-evangelicals really need to step up their PR game.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, that's what cults do. I'm very sorry, and happy for you you found a way out. It's better to be an atheist than jailed in a cult, and I know God will understand.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No. Only in evangelicalism.

False, not only in evangelicalism. The words of Jesus Christ disagree with you. Do you need me to quote the "Narrow Gate" to you? You should be very familiar with it if you've read the Bible.