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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wrong. But I had this discussion with evangelicals 1000 hundred times it's not interesting anymore. I'll begin by citing theologians like Aquinas (13^th^ century), you'll answer saying “meh don't care it's not in the Bible” or, if you studied theology (but you probably didn't), citing the one big exception, Augustine (which still wrote that God's mysterious grace could be greater than what he himself thought). But with that I will have proved that no, it's not a recent evolution of Christian theology, but something the churches hold still the beginning, with exceptions.

Then I'll cite Romans 2:12-16, Luke 12:47-48, Matthew 25:31-46 or Acts 10:34-35, and you'll do mental gymnastics that will grant you a place in the coming Olympics to reconcile this with the idea that only Christians are saved, using texts like John 3:18. And I'll say, yes, the Bible contradicts itself on this subject like on most others, but my position is better established and coherent with the global message of the Bible, the church history, and the reason, while yours is not. And you'll be shocked : “what? You don't believe in biblical inerrancy? You're not a Christian!” and I'll answer “okay, bro”, like I do with disrespectful people on the net.

And we will both have lost a lot of time, and you will have push more people to hate Christ while you will feel oh so righteous.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're wrong, according to the Bible itself, repeatedly throughout. Anyone who's read it knows that you're wrong.

I have over 12 years of daily Bible studies, and don't care if you took a theology college course(s), or even if you were a Catholic priest, or whatever your education was.

I'll cite Matthew 25:46, too. It says "eternal punishment" for a reason (and also John 3:18 of course)... and "the righteous" is clearly defined.... also, Isaiah 66:24, Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:42, Luke 13:3 and 16:23, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Revelation 21:8, and on and on and on and on, there are many more.

Also, recall the words of Jesus Himself, which disagree with you. The gate is narrow, and few will find it. I won't even get into original sin here, there's no need.

Re Aquinas... he's not relevant to this discussion, I'm not talking medieval philosophers, but the Bible.

Thank you for making up claims about my possible responses, as this clearly shows that you're not really interested in an actual discussion, and would instead prefer to babble your lazy imagining as if it were applicable. All of your assumptions about me are wrong, your strawman arguments are wrong, and you are wrong.

If you consider this a waste of time, be silent. I quite enjoy it.

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. ~Proverbs 26:11

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Original sin, brah, take a course on that.

... and Jesus hates liars

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

... and Jesus hates liars

Evangelicalism is a religion of hate, evidence #8376383.

I pray that you'll find Jesus one day. Then you'll understand that he hates no one. In the meantime… bye, you're blocked. I can't do anything more for you.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not evangelical, and what I say isn't evangelical.

Please learn about logical fallacies and stop publicly embarrassing yourself (and me, you make me wince with your ridiculous arguments).

  1. Appeal to authority. The Pope is no authority about Heaven in any way. There is no larger group of deviant lunatics in history than Popes. Please educate yourself.

This is your first lie.

  1. Appeal to majority. Catholicism being the majority religion means absolutely nothing. For example, the majority of people on Earth aren't Catholic... that doesn't mean that they are right (or wrong). So, the numbers have no bearing. Even Jesus says they don't... repeatedly.

This is your second lie.

  1. Straw man. To follow it up, you spend a paragraph imagining who I am, and what my argument could be. You know absolutely nothing and your assumptions are wrong.

This is your third lie.

GOD says He hates liars. Jesus says He hates liars. In the Bible. Your opinion is without value.

These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. ~Proverbs 6:16-19

This is your fourth lie.

You are wrong by the the laws of logic, and you are wrong by the Word of God.

Using any Pope as an authority on Heaven is, frankly, ridiculous and humiliating to everyone involved in your absurd claims; you should be ashamed of yourself. You are even wrong by the examples of history.

You can't possibly be more wrong. Good day.