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Are you in favor of the refs rewarding the offensive player every time he initiates contact? (alien.top)
submitted 10 months ago by xreddawgx@alien.top to c/nba@nba.space
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with a foul call? I understand using your hips or shoulder to create separation is part of the game and as a defender if your not strong enough to take the contact then oh well. But also as defender you are entitled to your position. Where do you guys stand on this ?

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[–] Gratitude15@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you know when offense initiates?

If defender is standing still, that's a charge. Beyond that, both players are trying to get to a spot. If offense guy gets there first, defender is late - is that initiation?

[–] xreddawgx@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For a example player a is on the wing and makes a drive to the basket and player b is side by side with him. If player b is still moving and player a gives him a bump with the shoulder, that shouldn't be an offensive foul since player b the defender is 1) not set 2) not square to the offensive player a. Now if player a and b stop , player a pump fakes ,player b is stationary with his hands up perpendicular and player a jumps into player b then yes that should be an offensive foul.

[–] Gratitude15@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you jump into your own space - ie up - that would make sense to be a foul if someone is there and makes foul contact. If you go into someone else's space, that would not be a foul.

It's just rare for all this to happen standing still. People are moving all the time. People are in each other's space.

My take is overall the offense gets more benefit of doubt to ensure clean shooting opportunities nowadays, and the offense took advantage of that bias. 10 years ago, getting clean shooting opportunities was harder and the offense had less incentive to sell it because the foul wouldn't come anyways.