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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

But as far as Osama’s goal for attacking us? He completely failed,

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it sounds pretty nonsensical. Osama thought that attacking the US would make the populace overthrow the government? Attacking a country only leads to people unifying behind their government. Every country in the world that has been bombed by the United States knows that. The only people who don´t know that run the United States Air Force.

The story I understand, that makes a lot more sense, is that Osama bin Laden wanted to drag the United States into a land war that would drain its resources and galvanize the Islamic world into uniting against the US. The results were mixed, I'd say, definitely not a "complete failure." The US committed to a 20-year-war in Afghanistan that it lost, and a separate war in Iraq which it "won", but at great cost. But it did completely fail to unify the Islamic world against the US; though ISIS was definitely an expression of that, ME governments stay aligned with the US.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world -3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know where you're getting your information, but it sounds pretty nonsensical.

Quoted from my comment above:

I know; I was in the US military during that time and served in Iraq briefly in 2007.

Personal experience working for the US government. It was a common news thread at the time, and our government was afraid of people learning more about Osama's specific intentions. Sure, there was a lot more to it, but the main story our government wanted squashed was the idea of revolution. They worked hard to redirect our attention toward revenge on the attackers instead of questioning why they attacked us in the first place. They didn't want the public poking into what our government was doing that justified an attack on our nation, and they definitely didn't want anyone showing sympathy to any degree for Osama.

Again, Americans were politically blind back them. We had no idea what foreign affairs our government was up to at the time, or what atrocities we might be committing in the Middle East. This brought a warfront to our front door and got the average citizen involved in worldly affairs overnight. Our government found themselves suddenly needing to control the narrative and refocus our anger at the scenario that played out in our own backyard, as well as those involved. We put a target on Osama's back once he claimed responsibility for 9/11, and that became the headline for every news story going forward.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Americans knew. At least the ones that gave a shit. There were protests and fights every year over bullshit the government was doing.

Sounds like maybe you didn't know? And once in the military they had their propaganda for you.

You really didn't hear people talking about all the devastation the US brought to do many people for decades? People are still dying to this day in the country that had more bombs dropped on it than used in all of WW2, and the US wasn't even at war with them!

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

In other words, you've got personal anecdotes, not anything of substance.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Osama’s manifesto is available on the web. We have a first person source for his motivation and goals.

Hint: It had nothing to do with triggering a revolution in the US

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yes, sweetie, that's how I know this internet rando doesn't know what he's talking about.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago

It is interesting to hear a (probably made up) view from someone who was (allegedly) in the military at the time.