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Ok, so here is my idle thought for the day.

Restrict the power of people at the average age of death in their country. Be a jerk about it, no political positions, no company directorships, trust boards or any other position of power can be held once you pass that age.

In NZ that is 83 for women and 79 for men.

That is old; really old, to be making decisions about the future.

If billionaires want to retain power beyond that, better fund those works that make things better for everybody to bring up that average. Men, you will need to up your game as women out live you by 4 years or 5%...

Perverse incentives, maybe keeping people alive using machines etc, longer than in medically advisable....but that doesn't work on the scale of millions of people.

Edit: for clarity, I am not calling for disenfranchising the old, they would still have the right to vote.

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[–] remon@ani.social 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Do you think the same should apply to people with terminal illnesses?

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No, I think complexity breeds contempt and loopholes.

A simple cutoff, once you hit 'X' age, you are lucky...go and enjoy the rest of your life. Stop trying to affect a future you will not be part of.

Hopefully it would spur people to do proper succession planning, there would be no ambiguity you will know to the day when your last day in power is, so train the next generation.

[–] remon@ani.social -2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

But if you're a very healthy 80 year old man you might still have 15+ years to go. That's plenty of time for policies to affect your life. On the other hand that 18 year old patient with the incurable cancer probably just has 1-2 years left, so why should they get to vote but the old man doesn't?

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can still vote, I would never call for disenfranchisement. I mean you can't be a politician, or board member of a trust, or a company director etc...

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 0 points 8 hours ago

Excluding from election is disenfranchisement for something they have no control over.

No different than saying people with 1 hand, or a disease.

[–] SadSadSatellite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is not really an issue.

Nobody would vote for an 18 year old with terminal cancer.

And there's several magnitudes more 80 year olds that won't make it to 90 than there are that will, that's why it's the average.

Everyone will age. Not everyone will become terminally ill. A hard rule effects everyone equally.

Like the previous person said, complexities breed loopholes.

[–] remon@ani.social -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

complexities breed loopholes.

Generalisation breeds discrimination. People are complex that's why most laws are rather complex and leave a lot of room for interpretation.

For example, old people driving. Introducing just a simple age based ban would be very unfair for healthy old people while doing little about demented drivers under the specific limit. Makes much more sense to introduce merit-based checks from a certain age onwards. More complex but also a lot more fair.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 10 points 13 hours ago

Part of the idea is to discriminate. Harshly.

You have already lived to the average age, hand on power, give to the future what was given to you. By law. Step back and let the people you (should have) trained take up the mantle of leadership. If you have neglected to train your successor, then watch your works falter and maybe fail because of your hubris.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

wouldn't they be bringing the average down, and so never see any negative consequences of the decision?

[–] remon@ani.social -5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Well the main argument behind the post seems to be that people shouldn't be able to vote when it doesn't affect their future, so it's not really about just age.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

...no? there's nothing about voting in there. it's suggesting that setting a maximum age for positions of power to the average lifespan would encourage those in power to extend the average lifespan for their own gain.

[–] remon@ani.social -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That is old; really old, to be making decisions about the future.

Fair, I kind of implied it from that statement. But you can still apply the same argument. Should terminal ill people be allowed to hold office?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

well again, it only comes into play if they outlive the average person, so i don't really see why it would be a problem.

[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But what is the argument for tying it to the average age other than "it doesn't affect their future", which can also be applied on other circumstances?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

average lifespan. important distinction.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Enlighten me. How is that different?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 13 hours ago

average lifespan is like average age but for dead people

[–] remon@ani.social 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Which one though? The one in your city? State? Country? World?

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 13 hours ago

Country, initially.

Eventually world. Humanity must work together to thrive.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 13 hours ago

i'm assuming the country.