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In this video, Archie Manning is described as the “best of the worst” in contrast to the “best of the best.” He’s also called a “lovable loser”.

Who does this make you think of? I think the popular answer is Ryan Fitzpatrick but I would also consider Larry Fitzgerald to be one, an extremely popular player on a historically unsuccessful team.

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[–] Alaska_Jack@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tim Brown.

Ok, hear me out before you mash the downvote button.

Brown retired as the third all-time leading receiver with 1,094 receptions for 14,934 yards, and 100 touchdowns. At the time he also ranked fifth in career combined net yardage with 19,682 yards. Brown is the only player ever to retire in the NFL's top five leaders for both receiving and return yards. And that's after suffering a catastrophic knee injury and missing his entire sophomore year.

But now, consider who he had at QB. Yes, he had NFL MVP Rich Gannon toward the end of his career. But before that, he had a litany of failure at the position -- from Vince Evans to Todd Marinovich to Jay Schroeder to Billy Joe Hobert to David Klingler to Don Hollas to Wade Wilson to Bobby Hoying to Marques Tuiasosopo to Rick Mirer to Tee Martin to Rob Johnson to a washed-up Brad Johnson to Chris Simms etc etc etc. The BEST of the non-Gannon litany was probably Jeff Hostetler.

(Contrast this to Jerry Rice, who went from Joe Montana to Steve Young to Steve Bono (good player) to Jeff Garcia to Rich Gannon.)

[–] BenefitMental7588@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait... what?

Tim Brown is a first ballot hall of famer, a Heisman Trophy winner, and a 9-timr pro bowler who put up those numbers DESPITE not having a great QB.

How in the hell do you use that as justification to call him "the best of the worst"??? He's not anywhere near the worst.

[–] Alaska_Jack@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

OK, maybe I'm misinterpreting the question. I was taking it as "best player on bad teams"?

[–] BenefitMental7588@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Oh, maybe I misunderstood it, then. If that's what he meant then Tim is definitely the right answer.